Vince,

Not every wrestler in the Toshiba Classic is a state champion or state placer. This thinking is what is helping pull down the quality of our own wrestlers. "We can't go to XYZ Tournament because our team isn't good enough." What a joke! If you don't go your team will never be good enough unless you are counting on your kids program to do the job for your high school coach. Watering down the schedule to make your coaching record look better is not the way to raise the bar. Placing in the top 8 at the Toshiba is more prestigious than winning the Johnson County Classic...

I post on here a complaint about the travel limit and teams like yours don't care because they won't travel more than 30 miles unless the coach feels like he can win or place. The travel limit remains because of apathy. The Toshiba Classic is THE BEST national level tournament Kansas high schools can travel to but the JoCo conflict prohibits our local schools from being able to attend even though it is only 45 minutes away. Vince, EVERY wrestler on your team would get eight matches against wrestlers they will NEVER see the rest of the season while we are in the Blue Valley gym wrestling guys that some will see SIX times during the season! Get rid of all of the joke league tournaments and hold this one at the end of the season. The pre Christmas schedule is for travel and seeing the best in the country (RTOC, Beast, Ironman, etc). If you want everyone to get together have a holiday party and invite all current and former wrestlers during the winter, stupid "buffer" week to a wrestling reunion. We can even announce their names but no gifts or wrestling because KSHSAA forbids it.

What would happen if some of the BEST JoCo wrestlers went to the Toshiba Classic next year?

TOSHIBA KCI CLASSIC

Blue Springs HS, Bolivar HS, Centralia HS, Christian Brothers HS, Collins Hill HS, Creston HS, Farmington HS, Farmington HS, Ft Zumwalt West HS, Granite City HS, Hannibal HS, Hayfield HS, Holt HS, Houston Westside HS, Jesuit High HS, Kearney HS, Klein Oak HS, Neosho HS, Norman North HS, Oak Grove HS, Oak Park HS, Omaha Skutt HS, Park Hill HS, Park Hill South HS, Perry HS, Platte County HS, Ponca City HS, Randall HS, Sand Springs HS, Seckman HS, Tuttle HS, Waynesville HS


32 teams, not a single Kansas HS in attendance...

Will, Do you have to go to the Johnson Co Classic? Is it in stone that you have to go!I when about nine years ago to see Justin Dyer(sp) And it seem that a lot or a few kids were jumping around weight class's

Not to nitpick but there was no KCI tournament 9 years ago. Not in the form or fashion it is now. I believe this is the 3rd-4th year.

I don't have to go to the Johnson County Classic I am sure SJA could jump ship and go to KCI but most AD's are unwilling to break ranks. When East Kansas WC was strong the JoCo Classic was a great event. Those days are gone. Nothing stays the same so you have to make changes and adapt. The Toshiba hasn't been around very long or maybe some of those strong teams would have broken ranks years ago. Honestly, the league tournaments at the end of the year are an absolute JOKE so lets move this one. Invite the DG and WY county schools too and make it a 32 team tournament.

This year there are five opens at 145. That is just plain sad!

"There you go again...." Ronald Reagan

Each team has to make a decision to improve their schedule.

SJA has done that this year. I applaud them.

Gardner Edgerton has done it.
They dropped five duals against weaker teams- Paola, Ottawa, Eudora, Sante Fe Trail and Lawrence. and added two 2 day tournaments : Eudora Tournament and North Kansas City.

GE is joining the East Kansas League next year. Hopefully be more competitive than Frontier.

If a school wants to opt out of JOCO classic. I am sure it is possible.

Will,

I think it would be great to have teams be able to go to the TOSHIBA KCI CLASSIC for the competition. As someone pointed out though the Johnson County Classic has been in existence a lot longer than the TOSHIBA KCI CLASSIC. I believe the coaches and schools are very happy with it and that includes the time of year that it is held. I really doubt they will change it but maybe you can convince them.

I think a Johnson County school should be allowed to opt out of it if they want to in any particular year. I think very few of them would choose to do that. I think it would also be okay for individuals to wrestle at the TOSHIBA KCI CLASSIC while maybe the rest of the team wrestled at the Johnson County Classic. I would have like to have seen how guys like Ryne, Parker, Taylor and some others could have done there this year or next.

I agree that Johnson County teams should schedule some more meets out of the Johnson County area. They could do that in the Kansas City area and it would not necessarily have to be this weekend. There are other good tournaments during the year they could wrestle at.

Glad to see Gardner moving on up to the big time!(all sports) They may get better now! When I was in school we beat them all the time. late 70's... My girl and new Grandson live there now! I do hope they move!

In the pool rounds a team only gets 1.5 points for a bye instead of 3 that you would get with a pin? Who was brain dead when they made this rule? You penalize a team who has a wrestler and reward one who doesn't by saving them 1.5 points for NOT bringing a competitor??? It should be just like a dual. You don't have a wrestler in the lineup you give up 6 points, just like you do for a pin!

Whats preventing a school from sending JV kids to the classic, and the Varsity Kids to the other tourney?

Ridicule from the other coaches and AD's... Perhaps next year somebody will test the waters! Honestly, wouldn't you like to see the cheezy league tournaments wiped out and put this right before regionals? Invite DG and WY counties too! 32 teams on a Friday and Saturday to get warmed up for regionals!

112 Seeds are out:

Boyer MV
Dremel OS
Williams STA
Nemer SH

119

Humphrey SMS
Abrams BVNW
Copen OS
Squire SH

125
Whitmore SMNW
Stokes GE
Baurle OS
Hoopes BVN

Seeding is supposed to seperate the best wrestlers. I don't think that is happening tonight...

130

Moeder SJA
Ambrose BM
Baylog BVN
Bolerjack OS

If the seeds hold Olathe South has a good start on points.

I predict the seeds will not hold.

140
Flora-Swick GE
Jones SMN
Johnson SME
Swickard BVW

145
Cokeley SJA
Middleton ONW
Kidwell GE
Allen SMW


152
Walker STA
Hiller OS
Cervantes BM
Woofter SME

160
Curtis GE
Lyons BVNW
Caldwell SMNW
Bialek BM

171
Madl BV
Hoopes BVN
Rutherford SME
Pascal SMW

Do you have 103 and 135 Mr. Cokeley? I personally like this tournament.

189 & beyond?