Mann and Phippen

You got it. I was thinking how light Miller was for Norton and the Basketball conversion for Zimmerman (he was an athlete!)

I remember Miller made the finals of the Minneapolis tournament and that year it was basically a Chapman vs. Norton dual in the upper weights from 152 to 285 in the finals. I will never forget when we lined up, I was at 215 and had Shaun Smiley in the finals (he upset Matt Voglesburg of Marysville) but I was standing for the announcements next to Miller and I told him that the top part of the bracket was lined up on the other side, he then told me he was heavyweight...I looked at him, then across the way to Smiley, and asked how much he weighed, Miller smiled and told me he was 187 lbs. Meanwhile Smiley was probably cutting to make 215.