Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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moeder lost this past weekend at shawnee mission north which is funny because they dropped out of the garden city tournament to go to a much easier tournament
nick pearch from blue valley is still undefeated
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
[Re: KansasWrestling1]
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02/01/10 04:38 PM
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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What happened to moeder? It says he was dq'd
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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02/01/10 05:08 PM
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"edited portion" and he gave him a good ole pounding down collar tie across the back of hte neck, and the ref booted him. I wasn't there, so maybe someone else can clarify it.
Taylor is not a dirty wrestler, so I think we may have had an overzealous referee here.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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02/01/10 05:13 PM
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Taylor was called for a Flagrant Miscondut call after a stale mate for an agressive swipe on a collar tie anticipating the whistle. Did he need to do this, absolutely not. I know he is not very proud of it. Did it qualify for an ejection? I do not believe it was even close to calling for that, but obviously I am very partial. The ref felt in his decision that it warranted it and it was called. I received several calls and emails suggesting we file a complaint with the state. As far as I am concerned he was frustrated with some minor issues that he should not have let bother him and needs to learn a lesson from this. I have no intentions of belittling the call or drawing attention to the official involved. The decision was made, its over and he now has a loss on his record and he can accept the responsibility fully on his own shoulders. How he handles himself in the future is up to him.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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How is Moeder losing a match funny? St. James Academy has had an extremely tough schedule. They aren't ducking anyone for an easier go. Sounds like he didn't get beaten, it was a DQ. Moeder is an outstanding wrestler, period.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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And I am 99% sure St. James pulling out of Garden City was not a popular decision by the wrestlers and more than likely an administrative decision due to amout of school they have been missing seeking out the tough matches!
Taylor is an awesome kid who I have enjoyed the past couple years and am looking forward to the future watching at a much higher level! Good luck Taylor and Ryne and the rest of the SJA wrestlers....
Church
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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That is one heck of a post Tim. Move on and learn from it. That's the kind of kid that we know Tayor to be!
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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moeder lost this past weekend at shawnee mission north which is funny because they dropped out of the garden city tournament to go to a much easier tournament
nick pearch from blue valley is still undefeated I will give you the benefit of the doubt that "funny" was not the word you were looking for. Taylor was winning 10-3 at the time the match became the official's and not the wrestler's to decide. Tim is handling this very well. I don't think the official should be cut ANY slack. I violated Mr. Salyer's and Beeson's rule and contacted him myself. Unknown to him I had a copy of the video and I asked for his review of the match. His recollection was vastly different than the video. FM is a call reserved for EXTREME situations and this was not one. When called out and given a chance to review and admit that he had made a huge mistake the official wouldn't admit to making a bad call. So i feel a public tar and feathering is in order. If he doesn't like it maybe he will quit officiating. If you want the link to the match please email me.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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02/01/10 06:20 PM
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I agree with Chief, great post Mr. Moeder.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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FM is a call reserved for EXTREME situations and this was not one. RULE 5 SECTION 12 FLAGRANT MISCONDUCT (pgs. 21 & 22) ART. 1 . . . Flagrant misconduct on the part of Coaches or other Team Personnel are acts which: a. the referee considers serious enough to remove the offender from the premises; b. can occur prior to, during or after a match, including the use of tobacco products. Flagrant misconduct shall be penalized in accordance with the Penalty Chart. ART. 2 . . . Contestants: a. Flagrant misconduct is any physical or nonphysical act which occurs before, during or after a match considered by the referee to be serious enough to disqualify a contestant from the match and any additional wrestling in a multiple school event. b. Acts include, but are not limited to: 1. striking; 2. butting; 3. elbowing; 4. kicking an opponent; 5. use of any tobacco products.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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FM is a call reserved for EXTREME situations and this was not one. RULE 5 SECTION 12 FLAGRANT MISCONDUCT (pgs. 21 & 22) ART. 1 . . . Flagrant misconduct on the part of Coaches or other Team Personnel are acts which: a. the referee considers serious enough to remove the offender from the premises; b. can occur prior to, during or after a match, including the use of tobacco products. Flagrant misconduct shall be penalized in accordance with the Penalty Chart. ART. 2 . . . Contestants: a. Flagrant misconduct is any physical or nonphysical act which occurs before, during or after a match considered by the referee to be serious enough to disqualify a contestant from the match and any additional wrestling in a multiple school event. b. Acts include, but are not limited to: 1. striking; 2. butting; 3. elbowing; 4. kicking an opponent; 5. use of any tobacco products. Nice copy job... I know the rule but for the every day fan it is for situations that are BEYOND unsportsmanlike conduct or unnecesary roughness. EXTREME is my way of conveying the the definition. If what was called in the is match is really FM then there would be several every tournament. For the record there were no tobacco products being used! The official said that there was a clinched fist blow to the face but that is 100% false.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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[/quote] I know the rule but for the every day fan it is for situations that are BEYOND unsportsmanlike conduct or unnecesary roughness.[/quote]
For the everyday FAN? what about for the everyday official? Shouldn't he have ranking over a FAN?
I mean I know that officials are the perfect human beings but one may malfunction everyonce and awhile as the concept of judgement throws a wrench into the robotic perfect machine that is an everyday official.
As I was not there to witness any of this, but I know that it wasn't called for no reason. The action was obviously pushing the limits annd was not given for no reason. So let it go Cokely and have fun being an "everyday fan" and let the officials do there best
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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A closed fist punch would warrant an FM call. This was not a closed fist punch, per my sources.
Without having seen the hard collar tie, I would say the manuever that Taylor excuted is akin to throwing a hard elbow down on a power half, and deserved a 1 point illegal move penalty.
Cokeley, is there a problem with postin the video for us to see? Actually, it sounds like Tim and Taylor want to just put this behind them and move on. Doug
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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Now I have seen the video. Definitely not a Flagrant Misconduct deserving move. Barely brought the left hand above the other wrestler's head, open palm, "smacking" collar tie. I saw at least 10 of them this weekend at Garden that were as bad or worse. NONE of which even warranted, in the GC officials' eyes, a 1 pt illegal move penalty.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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Really bad call. It can't be fixed but let this be a lesson for our refs to learn from.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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unfortunate set of events. couldn't see anything on the video to agree or disagree with the call. didn't look at all too rough, bad timing, but i also couldn't see a whether it was a fist or an open hand. perfect way to handle it moeders, good example for all.
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Re: undefeated wrestlers?
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unfortunate set of events. couldn't see anything on the video to agree or disagree with the call. didn't look at all too rough, bad timing, but i also couldn't see a whether it was a fist or an open hand. perfect way to handle it moeders, good example for all. Thats how I feel after the video, kind of an iffy situation to me from the video but not enough to agree or disagree with the call But seems like the people who were involved are handling it the right way, good job!
Hey Butt-Head what did people do before they invented TV? Don't be stupid Beavis there's always been TV, there's just more channels now. Oh yeah, heh heh hehe... progress is cool. Heh hehe heh
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