And the rest of the truth...both very good kids. Plot also beat Singular at Beloit 7-1. Just proves it's hard to be a good kid every time. So little seperates the good ones...a takedown scored or missed changes a match.

Originally Posted By: alan67530
norton beat abilene in team at p-burg tourney. at 145 trevor oliver osborne beat kieswetter in dual last week. 189 tyler gjerstadt abilene lost to taylor bullard hoisington and zach jacobs at p-burg tourney too .02


I do appreciate info, but it needs to be correct. Oliver received an injury default from Kieswetter.

Just to clarify - Oliver was beating Kieswetter 3-0 when the injury happened. Oliver scored a takedown and an escape and was in the process of taking Kieswetter down again when the injury happened.

TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Garden City - 6A
2t. Andale - 4A
2t. Clay Center - 4A
4. Derby - 6A
5. Goddard - 6A
6. Emporia - 5A
7. Abilene - 4A
8. Valley Center - 4A
9. Lansing - 5A
10. Andover Central - 5A


INDIVIDUAL RANKINGS:


103
1. Zac Gentzler - 9 - AC - 5A
2. Bryce Shoemaker - 9 - BAL - 4A
3. Kaleb Bonilla - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Clay Mulligan - 10 - SC - 4A
5. Dustin Reed - 9 - CB - 4A
6. Javier Vieyra - 10 - SS - 5A
7. Jace Roy - 9 - PV - 4A
8. Chris Sullivan - 10 - HUT - 5A
9. Jason Perez - 10 - ULY - 4A
10. Anthony Calderon - 10 - GC - 6A


112
1. Dalton Miller - 12 - WC - 6A
2. Bo Pursel - LS - 5A
3. Trevor Boyer - 12 - MV - 5A
4. Bo Newport - 11 - PV - 4A
5. Austin Hood - 10 - LOU - 4A
6. Dylan Schumacher - 10 - TMP - 321A
7. Tommy Williams - 10 - STA - 5A
8. Isaac Ruiz - 12 - JC - 6A
9. Nathan Reed - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tim Prescott - 10 - MCP - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Cody Beasley - 11 - WC - 6A
3. Blaine Smith - 12 - SS - 5A
4. Aaron Seybold - 10 - PT - 5A
5. Dane Norris - 11 - MH - 6A
6. Robbie Hines - 11 - ULY - 4A
7. Caleb Seaton - 11 - BS - 5A
8. Colby Witten - 11 - MZ - 6A
9. Colby Watters - 10 - ARK - 5A
10. Francisco Antillon - 12 - SC - 4A


125
1. Daniel DeShazer - 11 - WH - 6A
2. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
3. Brett LaMar - 12 - SL - 4A
4. Garrett Jones - 12 - ARK - 5A
5. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 5A
6. Zach Hoehn - 11 - WEL - 321A
7. Logan Singular - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Steven Plott - 12 - SS - 5A
9. Levi Eck - 9 - AN - 4A
10. Troy Clark - 11 - CH - 4A


130
1. Taylor Moeder - 11 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Kyle Johnson - 11 - COL - 4A
4. Tyson Schmidtberger - 12 - RUS - 4A
5. Brandon Charbonneau - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Lane Greenlee - 12 - GC - 6A
7. Mario Corado - 11 - PT - 5A
8. Miles Johns - 10 - NEW - 5A
9. Ky Biddle - 10 - CB - 321A
10. Alex Thibault - 9 - HAL - 321A


135
1. Chase Nitcher - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 11 - BVN - 6A
3. Kash Biddle - 12 - ARK - 5A
4. Alex Bontz - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Braxton Medina - 10 - GC - 6A
6. Colton Eck - 11 - AN - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 12 - OA - 321A
8. Uylesses DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
9. Courtney Strauss - 11 - AB - 4A
10. Kale Newell - 11 - SC - 321A


140
1. Tyler Anderson - 12 - CC - 4A
2. Danny Floyd - 12 - OS - 321A
3. Bryce Hood - 12 - LOU - 4A
4. Spencer Blew - 11 - LS - 5A
5. Vance Oliver - 12 - WIN - 5A
6. Bradley Little - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Tre Houlden - 11 - GD - 6A
8. BT O'Hara - 11 - COL - 4A
9. Trent Hoover - 11 - SS - 5A
10. Tyler McMichael - 10 - CB - 321A


145
1. Ryne Cokeley - 11 - SJA - 4A
2. Joey Dozier - 12 - GC - 6A
3. Tyler Davis - 12 - MCP - 5A
4. Connor Middleton - 10 - ONW - 6A
5. Derrick Weller - 12 - PIP - 4A
6. Nick Collins - 11 - AUG - 4A
7. Cody Shavlik - 12 - DB - 6A
8. Chase Sanchez - 11 - EMP - 5A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Chris Coover - 12 - OT - 4A


152
1. Cade Blair - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Dylan Penka - 11 - BC - 5A
3. Jake Walker - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Sam Son - 10 - CH - 4A
5. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - ULY - 4A
6. Colton Picking - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Sage Thimmesch - 12 - GP - 321A
8. Landon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A
10. Drake Lovvern - 11 - HOL - 4A


160
1. Jake Hattabaugh - 11 - AN - 4A
2. John Hambleton - 12 - LC - 4A
3. Nick Thibault - 12 - HAL - 321A
4. Logan Gaskill - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Reece Wright-Conklin - 10 - LAW - 6A
6. Spencer Shirk - 11 - NO - 321A
7. Lucas Cortez - 12 - EL - 4A
8. Austin Baird - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Austin Willis - 12 - SH - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


171
1. Parker Madl - 12 - BV - 6A
2. Benny Armstrong - 12 - AN - 4A
3. Ethan Mumaw - 11 - JW - 4A
4. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
5. Matt Reed - 10 - WH - 6A
6. Chance Davis - 12 - CC - 4A
7. Taylor Baird - 11 - PRT - 4A
8. Jeremie Maus - 12 - TG - 4A
9. Evon Royal - 12 - JC - 6A
10. Glen Thurber - 12 - SH - 5A


189
1. Jace Banner - 12 - DC - 6A
2. David Blazevic - 12 - ON - 6A
3. Jonathan Truman - 12 - KMC - 5A
4. Tate Omli - 11 - MIN - 321A
5. Zach Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Zackery Grimes - 11 - OZ - 4A
7. Dylan Walker - 12 - EL - 4A
8. Preston Werth - 12 - TMP - 321A
9. Taylor Bullard - 12 - HOI - 321A
10. Tyler Gjerstad - 12 - AB - 4A


215
1. Mark Kolmer - 12 - EMP - 5A
2. Kyle Caylor - 12 - WNW - 6A
3. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Nick Pearch - 12 - BV - 6A
5. Gage Knudson - 11 - JC - 6A
6. Ethan Jirak - 11 - OAK - 321A
7. Josh Hicks - 12 - GD - 6A
8. Dylan Matheny - 12 - KMC - 5A
9. Eric Mason - 10 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Delp - 11 - CC - 4A



285
1. BJ Finney - 12 - AN - 4A
2. Tank Burns - 12 - COL - 4A
3. Trey Page - 12 - WNW - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Jared Rice - 12 - PHI - 321A
6. Cody Huffman - 12 - DOU - 321A
7. Dillon Salmans - 11 - HOX - 321A
8. Beau Bennett - 12 - PT - 5A
9. Luke Henning - 11 - AUG - 4A
10. Damone Hatch - 12 - IND - 4A

What if I add Marlatt to the list? Where would you put Bush then? We've been here before.

Bush beat Delp 8-5.
Delp pinned Marlatt.
Marlatt pinned Bush.

All in the same tournament. Mason has criteria too.

Ok and Bush has a win over Marlatt, so of these 4 Bush is the only one with a win over all 3 others. according to your rankings we are suppose to believe that Delp is a better wrestler than Bush even tho he has never beaten him. Regardless of who else you throw in, head to head Bush 2 Delp 0, and by the way I believe Marlatt should be on there before the other 3. I am just trying to understand, you preach all the time "CRITERIA CRITERIA" and I just don't get how head to head, 0-2 beats out 2-0

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PC,

1. Straight up, Marlatt is over Bush.

2. Marlatt is not on the list.

3. That's why Bush is not on the list.

4. Jake Carroll pinned Bush last week.

5. Jake Carroll is not on the list.

In a seeding meeting, at best they would draw numbers for Delp, Marlatt and Bush. Jake Carroll would probably get the seed above all of them, however he needs a few more matches to convince me.

The good thing is, Regionals are here! A lot of answers coming up tomorrow.

so basically what your saying is head to head matches mean nothing, its all about common opponents? I grew up thinking that when there is a tie the first tie breaker is head to head, THEN common opponents, if Bush and Delp were 1-1 against each other than I could see moving to common opponents. I'm not trying to change your rankings, just trying to understand them. BTW nice touch of class with the late change to the 6A rankings.

How was correcting the fact that Carroll pinned Bush, a touch of class?

Chris Sullivan from Hutchison lost to Mike Torrez of Basehor
Keller from lansing beat Mike 14-8 @ league last week

just wondering about the 112 rankings. there is alot of great wrestlers but how does ruiz go from #1 to #8? second question is about zac dremel he has beat many good wrestlers including trevor boyer, tommy williams, and isaac ruiz and he is now completely out of the rankings?? and what about harlson. just want some clarification.

That answer is a long one.

Part of it is:

1. Miller - Wins over Schumacher, and Boyer
2. Pursel - Wins over Boyer, Newport, Dremel, Williams 2x, Haralson 2x and Hood. Losses to Kmiec, Boyer and Newport.
3. Boyer - Wins over Newport, Pursel, Haralson. Losses to Miller, Dremel and Pursel.
4. Newport - Wins over Pursel, Hood and Haralson. Losses to Boyer and Pursel
5. Hood - Wins over Williams, Dremel and Losses to Pursel, Newport.
6. Schumacher - Win over Prescott. Loss to Miller.
7. Williams - Win over Haralson and Ruiz. Loss to Pursel, Dremel and Hood
8. Ruiz - Losses to Dremel and Williams.
9. Reed - Only 2 losses to a TX guy and Haralson. Beat Prescott.
10. Prescott - Win over Haralson.


Haralson - 1-4 vs. top ten - 9 losses. Pinned Dremel.
Dremel - 3-3 vs. top ten. Wins over Boyer, Williams and Ruiz. Losses to Haralson, Pursel, Hood.

You could throw all those guys in a bracket and wrestle it ten times and you would have ten different outcomes, that is how close it is!!

The only thing about that is I believe Miller, and Schumacher would be the only close match. Realistically Miller is 1 followed by Schumacher at a close 2. If you put all of them in a bracket you would still have them two at 1 and 2. Unless the KSHAA did the bracket then of course they would be on the same side of the bracket.

Mel

TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Clay Center - 4A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Garden City - 6A
4. Andale - 4A
5. Goddard - 6A
6. Emporia - 5A
7. Abilene - 4A
8. Valley Center - 4A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Andover Central - 5A


INDIVIDUAL RANKINGS:


103
1. Zac Gentzler - 9 - AC - 5A
2. Bryce Shoemaker - 9 - BAL - 4A
3. Kaleb Bonilla - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Clay Mulligan - 10 - SC - 4A
5. Dustin Reed - 9 - CB - 4A
6. Chris Sullivan - 10 - HUT - 5A
7. Javier Vieyra - 10 - SS - 5A
8. Jace Roy - 9 - PV - 4A
9. Jason Perez - 10 - ULY - 4A
10. Anthony Calderon - 10 - GC - 6A


112
1. Dalton Miller - 12 - WC - 6A
2. Bo Pursel - LS - 5A
3. Trevor Boyer - 12 - MV - 5A
4. Bo Newport - 11 - PV - 4A
5. Austin Hood - 10 - LOU - 4A
6. Dylan Schumacher - 10 - TMP - 321A
7. Tommy Williams - 10 - STA - 5A
8. Isaac Ruiz - 12 - JC - 6A
9. Nathan Reed - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tim Prescott - 10 - MCP - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Cody Beasley - 11 - WC - 6A
3. Blaine Smith - 12 - SS - 5A
4. Colby Watters - 10 - ARK - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Dane Norris - 11 - MH - 6A
7. Francisco Antillon - 12 - SC - 4A
8. Robbie Hines - 11 - ULY - 4A
9. Caleb Seaton - 11 - BS - 5A
10. Colby Witten - 11 - MZ - 6A


125
1. Daniel DeShazer - 11 - WH - 6A
2. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
3. Brett LaMar - 12 - SL - 4A
4. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 5A
5. Garrett Jones - 12 - ARK - 5A
6. Zach Hoehn - 11 - WEL - 321A
7. Logan Singular - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Steven Plott - 12 - SS - 5A
9. Levi Eck - 9 - AN - 4A
10. Troy Clark - 11 - CH - 4A


130
1. Taylor Moeder - 11 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Kyle Johnson - 11 - COL - 4A
4. Tyson Schmidtberger - 12 - RUS - 4A
5. Brandon Charbonneau - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Mario Corado - 11 - PT - 5A
7. Miles Johns - 10 - NEW - 5A
8. Ky Biddle - 10 - CB - 321A
9. Alex Thibault - 9 - HAL - 321A
10. Chase Locke - 10 - MZ - 6A


135
1. Chase Nitcher - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 11 - BVN - 6A
3. Kash Biddle - 12 - ARK - 5A
4. Alex Bontz - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Colton Eck - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Jace Campbell - 12 - OA - 321A
7. Uylesses DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
8. Braxton Medina - 10 - GC - 6A
9. Courtney Strauss - 11 - AB - 4A
10. Kale Newell - 11 - SC - 321A


140
1. Tyler Anderson - 12 - CC - 4A
2. Danny Floyd - 12 - OS - 321A
3. Bryce Hood - 12 - LOU - 4A
4. Spencer Blew - 11 - LS - 5A
5. Vance Oliver - 12 - WIN - 5A
6. Bradley Little - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Tre Houlden - 11 - GD - 6A
8. BT O'Hara - 11 - COL - 4A
9. Tyler McMichael - 10 - CB - 321A
10. Levi Schneider - 12 - ELL - 321A


145
1. Ryne Cokeley - 11 - SJA - 4A
2. Joey Dozier - 12 - GC - 6A
3. Tyler Davis - 12 - MCP - 5A
4. Connor Middleton - 10 - ONW - 6A
5. Derrick Weller - 12 - PIP - 4A
6. Nick Collins - 11 - AUG - 4A
7. Cody Shavlik - 12 - DB - 6A
8. Chase Sanchez - 11 - EMP - 5A
9. Trevor Oliver - 12 - OS - 321A
10. Chris Coover - 12 - OT - 4A


152
1. Cade Blair - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Colton Picking - 11 - AB - 4A
3. Dylan Penka - 11 - BC - 5A
4. Jake Walker - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Sam Son - 10 - CH - 4A
6. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - ULY - 4A
7. Sage Thimmesch - 12 - GP - 321A
8. Landon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Drake Lovvern - 11 - HOL - 4A
10. Jason Seibel - 12 - SS - 5A


160
1. Jake Hattabaugh - 11 - AN - 4A
2. John Hambleton - 12 - LC - 4A
3. Nick Thibault - 12 - HAL - 321A
4. Logan Gaskill - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Reece Wright-Conklin - 10 - LAW - 6A
6. Spencer Shirk - 11 - NO - 321A
7. Lucas Cortez - 12 - EL - 4A
8. DJ Collins - 12 - WS - 6A
9. Austin Willis - 12 - SH - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


171
1. Parker Madl - 12 - BV - 6A
2. Benny Armstrong - 12 - AN - 4A
3. Ethan Mumaw - 11 - JW - 4A
4. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
5. Chance Davis - 12 - CC - 4A
6. Taylor Baird - 11 - PRT - 4A
7. Jeremie Maus - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Evon Royal - 12 - JC - 6A
9. Matt Reed - 10 - WH - 6A
10. Matt Atwood - 12 - SC - 4A


189
1. Jace Banner - 12 - DC - 6A
2. David Blazevic - 12 - ON - 6A
3. Jonathan Truman - 12 - KMC - 5A
4. Tate Omli - 11 - MIN - 321A
5. Zach Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Zackery Grimes - 11 - OZ - 4A
7. Dylan Walker - 12 - EL - 4A
8. Justin McPhail - 10 - LIB - 5A
9. Preston Werth - 12 - TMP - 321
10. Tyler Gjerstad - 12 - AB - 4A


215
1. Mark Kolmer - 12 - EMP - 5A
2. Kyle Caylor - 12 - WNW - 6A
3. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Gage Knudson - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Ethan Jirak - 12 - OAK - 321A
6. Jake Carroll - 12 - ON - 6A
7. Nick Pearch - 12 - BV - 6A
8. Josh Hicks - 12 - GD - 6A
9. Dylan Matheny - 12 - KMC - 5A
10. Eric Mason - 10 - STA - 5A



285
1. BJ Finney - 12 - AN - 4A
2. Tank Burns - 12 - COL - 4A
3. Trey Page - 12 - WNW - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Dillon Salmans - 11 - HOX - 321A
6. Jared Rice - 12 - PHI - 321A
7. Cody Huffman - 12 - DOU - 321A
8. Beau Bennett - 12 - PT - 5A
9. Luke Henning - 11 - AUG - 4A
10. Bryce Seljestad - 12 - WAM - 4A

Todd Curtis? 1- 2 with Gaskill. Both losses were close. But Todds win was big at the dual. Not that Todd Cares! Just interesting.

Wrestling67-At 112 Miller only beat Prescott 1-0 this year. That is a pretty close match. When #1 beats #10 1-0, I think that indicates what Kevin Kriss said that on any given day this group can all beat each other. Or you could say why is Prescott not #3, but he also lost to Ruiz, who lost to Williams, who lost to Hood, who lost to Pursel, who lost to Newport, who lost to Boyer. See the quandry.

Good luck to all of them at state this weekend. They are all studs!!!

Where is Laib at 152. He finished ahead of Seibel at Silver Lake. What's the criteria for leaving him out of the top 10?

Then Derek Tyler from St. Mary's should be ahead of Laib. He lost to Derek in the finals at Silver Lake. Laib never wrestled Seibel.

152lbs. may be one of the deepest weights in the state. Lots of quality wrestlers that are close. I know there are several wrestlers that don't make the top ten list, but they will give anyone on the top ten list a run for there money. Charland, Blair, Laib, etc.

Jirak is a Senior Chief.

I wish Josh could wrestle Picking just to prove how wrong you are, but at least he'll get Son. But just like I said you have something against Rodriguez cause you just kept moving him down no matter what he done and he did nothing but win except against Dozier and Blair this last weekend. And everyone lost to Blair alot worse then Josh at 152...