Well of course, no need to tell me that. That's almost a duh. But until we have this all class tourney that you speak of, the best we can do is compare teams throughout the year and especially after state for I do know that "in life you get credit not for what you start but for what you finish". Chief made a comment about Clay so I made a comment about some other teams, etc., and it went from there. Isn't that how it is supposed to go.
Obviously Chief will be putting his final top ten teams together and may just do it off of a point system that he develops based from individual rankings in the respective weights. I can see that, that could/would be appropriate. But I could also see just developing it off of how they finished as teams factoring in some commons throughout the year to compare the classes. Either way, my top three are Goddard, Clay Center and Andale with Derby and Emporia close behind. For me a question would be what about Andale? What do you do with them? We all know they are one of the best. But where were they in the end? How much do you factor for Hattabaugh? If they had him would that have made the difference? And do you even consider that? Etc. What about Garden City? They looked really good up until state and then they fell apart. Do you punish them for that and if so why would you not punish Andale although I know that was different with the injury. Maybe Garden City would say well we lost McElroy and had some injuries right before state. VC and Lansing might have had some injuries I do not even know about. Emporia would probably have something to say about being number one although they placed behind Goddard and Clay Center at tournaments. And yes, Norton is really good as is Abilene.

Point well taken.

I guess I should have said "what everyone needs to know" instead of pointing it at "you guys". I know you know, but some on hear don't understand it.
Part of being a great team is having depth. Obviously Andale didn't have enough of it, and it appears even if Hattabaugh would have done what we were hoping he would, it probably wouldn't have been enough.

Again, it is so complicated, someone as dumb as I can't even get my hands around where to start, so I'll let the Chief do his thing. As long as he doesn't call it the Fabulous Final All Class Rankings............

Thanks for the clarification.

I did also notice that about the point spread and how much could Hattabaugh earn and it appears not enough. But his presence as a point getter would probably have inspired others that were close. I have had teams where one kid went down and it dominoed. While with other teams, kids fed off of the success of others.

Of course, the fabulous commit mad me laugh, once again.

That is made not mad.

Whether Jake's injury "took the team down" or not, is not an excuse. Clay Center is a heck of a team, plain as that. Same with Valley Center. We just gotta get better.

These rankings will be adjusted as information comes in. They are also subject to the Big/Small results, Nationals and the HS division at kids state. I plan to finalize them after those events. Thanks for all of your input!


TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Clay Center - 4A
2. Goddard - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Emporia - 5A
5. Valley Center - 4A
6. Andale - 4A
7. Garden City - 6A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Wichita Heights - 6A


INDIVIDUAL RANKINGS:


103
1. Zac Gentzler - 9 - AC - 5A
2. Bryce Shoemaker - 9 - BAL - 4A
3. Kaleb Bonilla - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Dustin Reed - 9 - CB - 4A
5. Clay Mulligan - 10 - SC - 4A
6. Javier Vieyra - 10 - SS - 5A
7. Chris Sullivan - 10 - HUT - 5A
8. Jace Roy - 9 - PV - 4A
9. Anthony Calderon - 10 - GC - 6A
10. Chandler Gordon - 10 - SMNW - 6A


112
1. Dalton Miller - 12 - WC - 6A
2. Bo Pursel - LS - 5A
3. Trevor Boyer - 12 - MV - 5A
4. Austin Hood - 10 - LOU - 4A
6. Dylan Schumacher - 10 - TMP - 321A
6. Bo Newport - 11 - PV - 4A
7. Nathan Reed - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Tim Prescott - 10 - MCP - 5A
9. Hunter Haralson - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Zac Dremel - 10 - OS - 6A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Cody Beasley - 11 - WC - 6A
3. Blaine Smith - 12 - SS - 5A
4. Colby Watters - 10 - ARK - 5A
5. Tyler Dryden - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Caleb Seaton - 11 - BS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 11 - PT - 5A
8. Denzell Davis - 12 - FS - 4A
9. Colby Witten - 11 - MZ - 6A
10. Konnor Kriss - 10 - CB - 4A


125
1. Daniel DeShazer - 11 - WH - 6A
2. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
3. Brett LaMar - 12 - SL - 4A
4. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 5A
5. Garrett Jones - 12 - ARK - 5A
6. Zach Hoehn - 11 - WEL - 321A
7. Levi Eck - 9 - AN - 4A
8. Logan Singular - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Steven Plott - 12 - SS - 5A
10. Ross Whitmore - 11 - SMNW - 6A


130
1. Taylor Moeder - 11 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Kyle Johnson - 11 - COL - 4A
4. Tyson Schmidtberger - 12 - RUS - 4A
5. Brandon Charbonneau - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Lane Greenlee - 11 - GC - 6A
7. Mario Corado - 11 - PT - 5A
8. Dalton Davis - 11 - LA - 321A
9. Ky Biddle - 10 - CB - 321A
10. Billy Broeckelman - 11 - NO - 321A


135
1. Chase Nitcher - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 11 - BVN - 6A
3. Kash Biddle - 12 - ARK - 5A
4. Jace Campbell - 12 - OA - 321A
5. Colton Eck - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Alex Bontz - 10 - AC - 5A
7. Uylesses DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
8. Kale Newell - 11 - SC - 321A
9. Travis Reinhart - 11 - DB - 6A


140
1. Tyler Anderson - 12 - CC - 4A
2. Danny Floyd - 12 - OS - 321A
3. Bryce Hood - 12 - LOU - 4A
4. Spencer Blew - 11 - LS - 5A
5. Vance Oliver - 12 - WIN - 5A
6. Tre Houlden - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Bradley Little - 11 - DB - 6A
8. BT O'Hara - 11 - COL - 4A
9. Tyler McMichael - 10 - CB - 321A
10. Levi Schneider - 12 - ELL - 321A


145
1t. Ryne Cokeley - 11 - SJA - 4A
1t. Joey Dozier - 12 - GC - 6A
3. Tyler Davis - 12 - MCP - 5A
4. Connor Middleton - 10 - ONW - 6A
5. Aaron Morgan - 12 - AB - 4A
6. Derrick Weller - 12 - PIP - 4A
7. Nick Collins - 11 - AUG - 4A
8. Cody Shavlik - 12 - DB - 6A
9. Chase Sanchez - 11 - EMP - 5A
10t. Dillon Scanlon - 11 - LS - 5A
10t. Kaenon Keiswetter - 12 - NO - 321A


152
1. Cade Blair - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Colton Picking - 11 - AB - 4A
3. Jason Seibel - 12 - SS - 5A
4. Jake Walker - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Sam Son - 10 - CH - 4A
6. Andrew Laib - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Dylan Penka - 11 - BC - 5A
8. Landon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Sage Thimmesch - 12 - GP - 321A
10. Drake Lovvern - 11 - HOL - 4A


160
1. John Hambleton - 12 - LC - 4A
2. Nick Thibault - 12 - HAL - 321A
3. Logan Gaskill - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Reece Wright-Conklin - 10 - LAW - 6A
5. Jake Hattabaugh - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Spencer Shirk - 11 - NO - 321A
7. Lucas Cortez - 12 - EL - 4A
8. Todd Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
9. Tyler Baughman - 11 - LS - 5A
10. Hunter Jameson - 11 - WH - 6A


171
1. Parker Madl - 12 - BV - 6A
2. Ethan Mumaw - 11 - JW - 4A
3. Benny Armstrong - 12 - AN - 4A
4. Matt Atwood - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Taylor Baird - 11 - PRT - 4A
7. Chance Davis - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Jeremie Maus - 12 - TG - 4A
9. Evon Royal - 12 - JC - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 10 - WH - 6A


189
1. Dylan Walker - 12 - EL - 4A
2. Jonathan Truman - 12 - KMC - 5A
3. Tate Omli - 11 - MIN - 321A
4. Zach Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Zackery Grimes - 11 - OZ - 4A
6. Dalton Beard - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Alex Chaparro - 12 - WSE - 6A
8. Jace Banner - 12 - DC - 6A
9. Preston Werth - 12 - TMP - 321
10. Donnie Lockhart - 11 - SH - 5A


215
1. Mark Kolmer - 12 - EMP - 5A
2. Kyle Caylor - 12 - WNW - 6A
3. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Ethan Jirak - 12 - OAK - 321A
5. Dylan Matheny - 12 - KMC - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 12 - GD - 6A
7. Nick Pearch - 12 - BV - 6A
8. Jake Carroll - 12 - ON - 6A
9. Gage Knudson - 11 - JC - 6A
10. Sione John Siale - 11 - AH - 321A


285
1. BJ Finney - 12 - AN - 4A
2. Tank Burns - 12 - COL - 4A
3. Trey Page - 12 - WNW - 6A
4. Beau Bennett - 12 - PT - 5A
5. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Dillon Salmans - 11 - HOX - 321A
7. Cody Huffman - 12 - DOU - 321A
8. Jared Rice - 12 - PHI - 321A
9. Luke Henning - 11 - AUG - 4A
10. Jay Cotter - 12 - GDL - 321A

135
1. Chase Nitcher - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 11 - BVN - 6A
3. Kash Biddle - 12 - ARK - 5A
4. Jace Campbell - 12 - OA - 321A
5. Colton Eck - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Alex Bontz - 10 - AC - 5A
7. Uylesses DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
8. Kale Newell - 11 - SC - 321A
9. Garrett Hinckley - 9 - LS - 5A
10. Travis Reinhart - 11 - DB - 6A

How is Garrett Hinckley ranked 9th. I know he took 2nd at state, but he also did not place at basehor linwood. A tournament that Kiefer Hurla, Josh Hanson, Dalton Weaver, Cole Schreiner, and Tyler Selves all placed at. There is no way a 12 loss kid with that schedule should be ranked all class.

Two things. He beat Bontz and the end of February matters more than mid January. I will look at that weight again. Thanks.

135- I think end of year Tanenbaum would have beaten Nichter

sundevil: You kidding? Didn't Eck beat Tanenbaum 4-0? Correct me if I'm wrong. Nitcher-Tanenbaum, I don't think it would be close.

112
1. Dalton Miller - 12 - WC - 6A
2. Bo Pursel - LS - 5A
3. Trevor Boyer - 12 - MV - 5A
4. Austin Hood - 10 - LOU - 4A
6. Dylan Schumacher - 10 - TMP - 321A
6. Bo Newport - 11 - PV - 4A
7. Nathan Reed - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Tim Prescott - 10 - MCP - 5A
9. Hunter Haralson - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Zac Dremel - 10 - OS - 6A

1 - Miller beat 9 - Haralson by two in the finals, who beat 10 - Dremel by two in the semi-finals, and there are seven wrestlers in between them. Wow, you talk about a tough, and I guess balanced weight class (at least at the end of the season).

sundevil- thanks for the confidence in Zack. MFE- at this point in time I agree with chief that Chase deserves the number 1.
Zack did loose once this year to Eck- Zack had not wrestled for one month, had been in the hospital with CT scans, iv fluids and was not even going to wrestle at Bobcat- he was 9 pounds under- the score was 1-0 until the last 10 seconds when he tried a gramby and gave up 3. Zack has not otherwise been riden by anyone all year- still, no excuses and he has never made any. He has never said anything about the rankings. He has always handled himself with great sportsmanship and respect. Watch the videos and see how he reacted when 2 points were awarded and then taken away for a takedown at state finals or when an escape was awarded and both kids thought there was no escape.

His quality h.s. wins include- wins over U. DeShazer (2 time 2nd)
win over Beasly last year (state champ this yr), win over Dane Norris (state champ) win over J. Vesta (state champ), major over Bo Newport (2nd); pinned R. Whittemore (2nd at state);15-1 win over Rose last yr (Nichter beat Rose by 1 pt); 14-8 win over Davis last year (Davis beat Moeder twice last year)
Other quality wins in middle school included folksytle wins over Bontz, Cokeley, Gentzler, Seaton... He is also the defending KS freestyle and greco champion. To boot-like Parker Madl, he did not cut any weight this year and like Parker and Ryne he was 1 match away from All-American at Fargo

So, MFE, I have no beef at all with Chase at number 1. A great kid and outstanding wrestler who has proved himself over time. I do have a beef when you say you think the match would not be close.

i think 5A 189 cooksley seaman is in ahead of lockhart. head to head no question. lost to truman 3-2 in semi. lockhart was on the other side. steven beat lockhart @ regional.

Also, add a highschool win by fall over Boyer (state champ and 2nd at state)

Chief, excellent work. the doc, very impressive info.

Anybody that knows Zack, knows that about him. He just wrestles from whistle to whistle. He never whines or complains and leaves the mat with his head held high. That's why he's got a permanent invitation to join my Renegades team at the Park Hill duals!

The doctor is in. You might consider doing a little more research before you make a statement like this one. Impressive resume. Great job and congratulations Zack. I don't believe that I have seen a kid work harder in the practice room.

At 130, Lane Greenlee of Garden City is a senior.

It all depends on the wrestling style. Nitcher seems impossible to take down so Tanenbaum would have to win it from top or bottom.
Fun fact: Nitcher beat Deshazer 9-0 at derby.