From the April 23rd and 24th KSHSAA Board Of Directors agenda.....


Modify Rule 5, Classification of Senior High
Schools, Section 2, Article 6, to read as follows:

Art. 1: All member senior high schools shall be divided into
six Classes—6A, 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A and 1A. Class 6A shall
include the thirty-two (32) high schools with the largest
enrollments; Class 5A the next thirty-two (32); 4A the next
sixty-four (64); 3A the next sixty-four (64); 2A the next
sixty-four (64); and Class 1A, the remainder.

Art. 1: All member senior high schools shall be divided into
eight classes- 6A, 5A, 4A1, 4A2, 3A, 2A, 1A and All Private.
Class 6A shall include the thirty-two (32) public
high schools with the largest enrollments; Class 5A the
next thirty-two (32) public high schools; Class 4A1 the
next thirty-two (32) public high schools; Class 4A2 the
next thirty-two (32) public high schools; Class 3A the
next sixty-four (64) public high schools; Class 2A the next
forty-eight (48) public high schools and Class 1A , the
remainder public high schools; and an all Private school
classification.

FOOTBALL EXCEPTION: Classifications, for the purpose
of determining district football assignments, shall be
based on the total enrollment in the school’s ninth, tenth
and eleventh grades as submitted to the KSHSAA on the
date established by state statute for official enrollment.
For the purpose of district football, utilizing this exception,
member schools will be classified as follows:

Class 6A: 32 largest member schools playing 11-Man football
Class 5A: 32 next largest member schools playing 11-
Man football
Class 4A: 64 next largest member schools playing 11-
Man football
Class 3A: 64 next largest member schools playing 11-
Man football
Class 2-1A: All other member schools playing 11-Man
football
8-Man: participating schools will be assigned to two
separate Divisions, as established by the Executive Board
NOTE: For 8-Man district football participation, assignments
shall be limited to those schools with a maximum
enrollment of 100 students in grades 9, 10 and 11. (See
Rule 35-2-3, Football.)

Class 6A: 32 largest member public high schools playing
11-Man football
Class 5A: 32 next largest member public high schools
playing 11-Man football
Class 4A1: 32 next largest member public high schools
playing 11-Man football
Class 4A2: 32 next largest member public high schools
playing 11-Man football
Class 3A: 64 next largest member public high schools
playing 11-Man football
Class 2A: 48 next largest member public high schools
playing 11-Man football
Class 1A: All other member public high schools playing
11-Man football
8-Man: participating member high schools will be assigned
to two separate Divisions, as established by the
Executive Board.
Private: participating member private high schools will
be assigned to at least two separate divisions, as established
by the Executive Board. (8 man Private schools to
be assigned by the Executive Board per Article XII sec. III)
NOTE: For 8-man district football participation, assignments
shall be limited to those schools with a maximum
enrollment of 100 students 9, 10 and 11. (See Rule 35-
2-3, Football.)

12. Modify Rule 5, Classification of Senior High
Schools, Section 2, Article 6, to read as follows:
Art. 6: In classifying high schools for activity purposes, those
composed entirely of boys or girls shall double their enrollment
figures. For example, a boys’ school comprised of 125
students would be placed in the same classification as a
coeducational school with 250 students.
In classifying high schools for activity purposes, private or parochial schools shall be placed in the next classification above based on student enrollment as currently outlined in Article 1 and Article 3 of Rule 5. For example, a private or parochial school classified as a 2A school based on enrollment would be placed in one classification above or 3A for all activities.

At last! The Board of Directors (which has one private school representative) can finally put all of these cheating, recruiting, private school in their place! I can't wait to see what happens! Also, I agree, 4A is just too damn tough so let's split it in half, might as well split 3A too if this measure is aimed at fairness. 4A1 & 4A2 would get 8 man regionals while 3A schools still go to 20 team regionals? Whoa! Maybe I am wrong here but it is starting to feel like rec league soccer where everyone gets a medal just for showing up.

I don't get it??? Is this a joke, something that is atcually going to be put into place, OR something that is going to be voted on in April??????????

In any case it sounds ridiculous to me!

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. So, if this thing passes (some dudes are going to vote on it???) then for the state tournament - we would have SIX state tournaments???

http://www.kshsaa.org/BODAgendaAP.pdf

Here is the actual document.

If you look at the first proposal(11) it splits the 4A in to two groups and puts all the private schools in a seperate class and was proposed by the Frontier League.

If you look at the second proposeal (12) it makes all private schools bump up one class for competition purposes and was proposed by the NCKL.

What would be the motivation for these leagues? NCKL is all 4A schools. Are they trying to bump Hayden from 4A to 5A and replace them with Collegiate?

Not sure what Frontier League's motivation is. I was in that league for many years, most of those schools are growing, figured now that Gardner was out of their league, their problems were solved, guess not.

Could somebody shed some light for me? Greg Mann where are you? Watching basketball? I guess since I have a dog in the fight I would like to know what the motivation is for these changes??

Bill,

Not being on the Exec Board I have no insight into this proposal; was unaware of it until '02's post and have no contact whatsoever with the Frontier League. I will be surprised if this is acted upon without it going to regional meetings in the fall for discussion; but the summer coaching provision was enacted without regional discussions, so. . .

I have some opinions about the private school provisions; but, opinions are like noses, all have one.

BTW--congrats on your KWCA Admin of the Year award.

Marysville is in the NCKL and has been 3a the last 2-3 years. I do suppose football is the reason as usually Chapman seems to get thrown to Hayden as a sacrifice each year.

Hayden usually plays 5a and 6a in football anyway and wins. maybe going 5a in wrestling will get them a state qualifier.

I apologize, I should have posted a hyperlink along with the proposals so everyone would know it was a factual document.

The recommendation to split 4A into two classes and to put private schools into two seperate classifications is from the Frontier League.

The second proposal to move private schools into the division one class larger than that which they would otherwise qualify is from the NCKL.

So, how many state tournaments would that bring us up to? I'm confused.

Thanks, did not know I was even nominated. Somebody pointed out to me an interesting side note: Bob Threlkel was a former coach at TMP and my coach my freshman year. Craig Ewert is a TMP grad. Damn those private schools!

This is so ridiculous that I am practically speachless. Can I get phone numbers to all of the bozos and idiots that came up with this plan? Let me know soon as I will immediately put my house up for sale and move to state that has fewer counties, school districts, and per capita idiots. I am pretty sure this is the most absurd thing I have read on this forum.

When cost reductions are needed we extend playoffs, invite more teams to the post season, create more championships and continue to water down competition. Jostens will be pleased to see this plan. Rick Bowden might actually have to put in 40 hours a week during the school year. Seriously, does ANYONE agree with this plan?

I know that Redstorm was being sarcastic but anyone who believes that private schools have an advantage really don't understand how it works. Private schools get NO tax dollars. Those of us who choose to attend private schools pay dearly for the right as we get NO tax break. So, all of you whiners who don't like private schools, you get our tax dollars and we take a student out of your public school which gives you a better economic education situation.

I am ready for the REAL tea party.

How do you say watered down – Not the Midwest flood of 1993 – try Noah's Ark and the Flood - Story Summary.

Scripture Reference:
Genesis 6:1 - 9:17
Noah's Ark and the Flood - Story Summary:

http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestorysummaries/p/noahsarkflood.htm

If Kansas does go to 6,7, 8 classes it truely would be ________.

New Kansas State Tournament Team Trophy ideas:

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Summer vacation ideas for winning team members and the individuals who want to minimize competition.


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Will, call David Morford at DeSoto High. He's the one behind the plan to expand the number of classifications. I agree it is totally ridiculous. Then call every other principal in the Frontier League except Gardner-Edgerton. It's a bunch of sour grapes on the part of everyone else because G-E kicks their butts in everything.

As for Bowden putting in 40 hours a week, he's close to retiring, so he might call it a career before doing that.

And I agree with you on private schools. I am originally from New Orleans, where you HAD to go to a private school or else you would be a blithering idiot when you graduated from high school. Some schools in the LHSAA tried on numerous occasions to throw the private schools out, but it never passed. I don't want to ever see a two-association system like is in place in Alabama, Mississippi and Texas.

The Frontier League is trying to deceive us by calling it 4A-1 and 4A-2. Why just not call it 7A, 6A, 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, 1A? You realize if this happens there will be TEN state basketball tournaments, because 1A is going to two divisions. Then you add in the private schools. The state doesn't have 10 sites to go to, unless you throw in Pitt State (brother), let 7A play at the downtown arena in Wichita and add in a high school or two.

In football, there aren't enough 11-man schools to fill five classes. And they want SEVEN for public schools and two for private schools? This would be the nuclear bomb.

Make sure your league's BOD member is informed about this proposal.

This idea would not increase opportunities to participate.
It may even decrease participation and cooperation among schools, coaches, clubs, etc., - that do provide opportunities for both public/private schools and student athletes.

Didn't recently (sometime over the last 5-10 years) they have a state wrestling tournament at Hutchinson high school?

Didn't recently (sometime over the last 5-10 years) they have a state wrestling tournament at Hutchinson high school?

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