Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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Interesting and informative.
Thanks Smokey
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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Contrarian, if you were equal partners in a business, and your partner started slacking, to the point where he or she was not contributing to the partnership, what would you do?
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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Hey Chief. Think you missed my point. Small businesses do good because the pay slave wages and provide no, or minimal, employee benefits. Do they take the risks? Sure. Do they reap the benefits? Yes. In this day not even sure how much risk they are taking. Special small business loans at low rates, special business tax incentives, special personal investment programs for tax sheltered retirement plans. And they still comprise the largest group of millionaires. Some risk, some rewards. Is that good old capitalism in action or not. And again, don't forget the low wages and low employee benefits they lobby for through their mouth piece- the Chamber of Commerce--probably the biggest lobby in DC.
As for doctors, lets wait a few years and then count how many left the field. Why bring up UK and Canada. Have you ever been there? How about France, Germany, Italy, Spain. Bet you have not. Ever been any place out side of our borders--the U.S.--not just Kansas. Perhaps you too should quit listening to Glen and Rush, and Sarah.
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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Did you ever stop to think that these "slave wages" are what a good businessman has calculated those workers are worth? If they are worth more money, then they should do as you said in an earlier post: This is America, leave it you don't like it, and go to the guy that pays more wages for the same amount of work-if he can find that guy.
Every day I wish I made more money, but as a part of capitalism, we make EXACTLY what we are worth. If these slave laborers walk into their boss and sell him on being worth more money, that boss has a decision to make: Agree with him, give him the raise, and keep him, or tell him thanks for the offer, but see ya later, he'll hire someone else.
I believe slave labor ended a century ago, noone is holding a gun to these people's heads making them drive to work every morning.
We won't even get into the FACT that the number one problem facing our economy today is UNIONS. Every one wants someone to fight their fights for them, so they hide behind the unions. I prefer to market myself.
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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Most SB owners don’t live in a mansion. They don't take many vacations. They drive economy cars and don’t dress in Armani suits.
They comply with the same local, state and Federal regulations that the big guys do, but pay a larger percentage of their budget to lawyers, accountants and consultants to help wade through the sea of regulation.
Their employee compensation packages are very competitive. Many of their employees have been with them for over ten years. They even make loans to their employees so that they can purchase cars, homes, and help their kids go to college.
More importantly, they have taken bigger risks, worked longer hours and sacrificed more than the vast majority of those with an entitlement mentality.
I have been to many of those countries that you mentioned. I didn't step on any nails so I've not sampled their healthcare system but the facts are widely known.
Taking a closer look at the universal healthcare programs in other countries and you’ll find not everything is so great. In Canada, wait times to see specialists have sent many people with the funds to private care. I’m pulling statistics here, but it takes 22 months for residents of Saskatchewan to get an MRI. 57% of Canadians report having to wait a month just to see a specialist. As a result of long wait times and certain services not covered in the national plan many citizens in universal health care provided countries must still obtain private insurance. That defeats the whole purpose of a universal system because many people would opt out of getting private insurance creating the same problem the US currently faces.
Perhaps the most important disadvantage of universal health care is the fact that the government would be in charge. Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security are run by the government. Both of these programs are on track to bankrupt themselves, partially due to surplus mismanagement and partially due to an aging population. Bloated bureaucracies are sort of an American icon. We set up massive social welfare programs and they are abused by citizens and politicians. If a US universal healthcare plan were to generate a surplus, our government would then borrow from it and ruin the whole system for everyone. The simple fact is our government can’t be trusted to handle social programs, whether it be from bureaucratic or demographic mismanagement.
You Contrarian should START listening to Glen and Rush. Get away from your sound bites and know that competition fosters innovation! There is a reason that pharmaceuticals and biotechnology are two of the fastest growing industries in the US. Where serious money is to be made, entrepreneurs wake up earlier and work later. Your mentality of taking from the wage payer to give to the wage earner is fostering a society that has lost it's self reliance. Wait till that whole mass of people get on medicaid and join others that are seeing three doctors a week.
The Government should provide for our common defense and deliver the mail!
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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No, the problem is not unions. The problem is our economic base went from manfacturing to service. Service is why we have so many small businesses. Why were our father's generation so well off. Good paying jobs in an expanding manfactur base after WWII. Who killed that economy. Big business that went overseas, and yes, unions who made unrealistic demands must share the blame. Read some business and labor history of this country Starting around 1830 and lasting to the late 1800s/early 1900s, businesses were extremely harsh and exploited labor. Unions came into being as a rebutal to confront the harshness of business. By the late 1960s, early 70s, labor had become too strong. Labor and business law started changing and unions fell out of favor. Cokely would call this a cycle. In the 1980s business started closing U.S manfacturing capacity and moving overseas. So now, with no manfacturing base, we import everything, small business markets the imports, and labor works for minimal wages and low employee benefits. Union membership is now what--30 percent of what it used to be. Union wages did not drive this latest economic debacle. Auto manfacturers want to tell you that--but it is not true.
Now Doug, lets hear your economic theory and tell us how unions are crippling you and the country.
And Chief, I don't do sound bites and search the web. Never have thee radio or tv on during the day. TV sometimes at night to watch CSI Las Vegas, never watch Fox news, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, or David Letterman. If in the pickup, listen to all those communists on KC and Lawrence National Public Radio. There's 90 year old Walt Bodine and his guests doing either restaurant or movie reviews, there are non-political broadcasts that discuss science, there is classical music, there is a broadcast on music history and performers-rock and roll, jazz, and country-and there is local and national news every hour. Do read a lot of news articles and columnists on the internet.
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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Chief. Understand you are a teacher. An older cousin graduated from a teachers college in the llate 1940s and started a 40 year teaching career. I remember his ranting and raving on how Federal Aid to Education would ruin education, schools, and the country. Haven't heard a public school teacher say that in 40 years. Don't hear back to basics, 3 Rs, local control, etc. anymore. Why?? First: teacher's pocketbooks have done very well under Fed aid. Teachers don't want to go back to a starting wage of $9,000. Second: parents know their kids are getting a much better education than they did. More course offerings, better teachers, better all around.
Defense and mail. Is that what the Constitution says. The Constitution was out of date before it was signed on 17 September 17, 1787. On 25 Septmber 1789 Congress approved 12 Amendments to the States to be ratified. Two were rejected and ten were ratified--the Bill Of Rights. Since 1789 there have been an additional 17 amendments proposed, ratified by the states and added to the Constitution. Several other proposed amendments were not ratified--I think the latest being the ERA Amendment in the 1970s. So, defense and mail only. Don't think it will ever happen!! If tried, revolt and revolution. People want and expect more than that, and are will ing to pay taxes to get it.
Note: I have my pocket copy of the Constitution sitting on the light table next to my easy chair. No need to quote it for me.
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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Did you ever stop to think that these "slave wages" are what a good businessman has calculated those workers are worth? If they are worth more money, then they should do as you said in an earlier post: This is America, leave it you don't like it, and go to the guy that pays more wages for the same amount of work-if he can find that guy.
Every day I wish I made more money, but as a part of capitalism, we make EXACTLY what we are worth. If these slave laborers walk into their boss and sell him on being worth more money, that boss has a decision to make: Agree with him, give him the raise, and keep him, or tell him thanks for the offer, but see ya later, he'll hire someone else.
I believe slave labor ended a century ago, noone is holding a gun to these people's heads making them drive to work every morning.
We won't even get into the FACT that the number one problem facing our economy today is UNIONS. Every one wants someone to fight their fights for them, so they hide behind the unions. I prefer to market myself. The number one problem in our economy is Unions? You have got to be kidding me! I don’t recall too many fingers being pointed at unions for the collapse of Wall Street and the billions of Bail Out dollars paid to greedy mismanaged companies and executives. I realize the perception of unions protecting lazy workers exists and I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but study after study has concluded union work forces are associated with HIGHER PRODUCTIVITY, LOWER EMPLOYEE TURNOVER, IMPROVED WORKPLACE COMMUNICATION, BETTER-TRAINED, and a SAFER WORKFORCE. Those are facts. Everyone is up in arms about the government taking over healthcare. The fact is, if more workers were bargaining collectively this would not be an issue ! Union workers are more likely to be covered by health care and receive pension benefits. One of the other big complaints I hear about Unions is the corruption factor! Yes corruption does exist in Labor Unions , but at a lower percentage then it exists at the corporate level or the government level! Unfortunately there are crooks in every aspect of life and everything should be done to eliminate it, and put those people in jail! The American Medical Association the American Petroleum Institute, and I can go on and on with trade groups and organizations that bring groups of like businesses and professionals together to lobby, promote, and work toward bettering their members! So please explain what is fundamentally wrong with a group of workers doing the same! This is America and thank God we do have this freedom!
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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I will make this statement on unions: I believe that two guys at the aircraft plant, or two teachers teaching 4th grade, or two guys putting fenders on cars, should be paid based on their productivity, not based on how long they have been on the job. If we were forced to "market" ourselves by working hard, rather than doing enough to get by, and hiding behind tenure and seniority, the hard workers would get paid a better wage than the lazy guy, the way it should be. I know a guy that has a machine shop. He has one rule when hiring: He will NOT hire anyone that has worked in a union shop. They are ruined already. He would rather train someone from scratch than put up with the crap he got when hiring a "veteran" coming out of a union shop. And he has a very low turnover of workers, very high productivity, which is a big part of the reason why he gets busy when there are layoffs at the aircraft plants. He often says "I shouldn't talk bad about unions, the are actually my best friend. The unions price themselves out of business"
I see teachers get extremely lazy once they are tenured.
I am calling them like I see them.
Unions also have our governbment in their hip pocket.
Are all union people bad, of course not, but those that are good hard working people do not need the union.
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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How did we get here. This started out discussing state championships. Somehow we are now into labor unions, labor history and law, small business, taxes, religion, big business, robber banks, stimulus packages, ............................. We need to get back and stick to the original issue--state championships.
Too much beating of the gums--me included.
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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How will these activities be treated under the 2 proposals.
Same schools same students?
NON-ATHLETIC ACTIVITIES ACTIVITIES Debate Kansas Association for Youth Music Piano Scholars' Bowl Speech & Drama Spirit Activities Student Council OTHER
SCHOLARS' BOWL STATE CHAMPIONS HISTORY YEAR CLASS CHAMPION LOCATION 2010 6A Topeka-Washburn Rural Wichita-Northwest HS 5A Wichita-Carroll Newton HS 4A Topeka-Hayden Topeka-Haden HS 3A Hays-Thomas More Prep-Marion Cimarron HS 2A Salina – Sacred Heart Goessel HS 1A Ness City Rosalia-Flint Hills HS 2009 6A Topeka-Washburn Rural Goddard HS 5A Shawnee-Mill Valley Topeka-West HS 4A Wichita-The Independent School Russell HS 3A Wichita-Collegiate Belle Plaine HS 2A Inman Moundridge HS 1A Tribune-Greeley County Quinter HS 2008 6A Topeka-Washburn Rural Maize HS 5A Topeka-West Wichita-Carroll HS 4A Buhler Wellington HS 3A Salina-Sacred Heart St George-Rock Creek HS 2A Clyde-Clifton-Clyde Brookville-Ell-Saline HS 1A Ashland LeRoy-Southern Coffey County HS 2007 6A Wichita-East Wichita-North HS 5A Wichita-Bishop Carroll Topeka-West HS 4A Pittsburg Hiawatha HS 3A Wichita-Independent Hutchinson-Trinity HS 2A Leavenworth-Immaculata Hill City HS 1A Rolla Spearville HS 2006 6A Lawrence Wichita-North HS 5A Wichita-Bishop Carroll Wichita-Bishop Carroll HS 4A Topeka-Hayden DeSoto HS 3A Wichita-Independent Rossville HS 2A Hutchinson-Trinity Hutchinson-Trinity HS 1A Tribune-Greeley Co. Bucklin HS 2005 6A Topeka-Washburn Rrral Wichita-East HS 5A Pittsburg Wichita-Kapaun-Mt Carmel HS 4A Topeka-Hayden Wellington HS 3A Shawnee-Maranatha Academy Rossville HS 2A Leavenworth-Immaculta Bennington HS 1A Bucklin Lost Springs-Center HS 2004 6A Wichita-East Lawrence HS 5A Winfield Wichita-Carroll HS 4A Basehor-Linwood Kingman HS 3A Shawnee-Maranatha Academy St. George-Rock Creek HS 2A Leavenworth-Immaculta Spearville HS 1A Ashland Ransom HS 2003 6A Overland Park-St. Thomas Aquinas Lawrence HS 5A Kansas City-Sumner Academy Wichita-Carroll HS 4A Topeka-Hayden Wellington HS 3A Hays-TMP-Marian Eureka HS 2A Oberlin-Decatur Community Bennington HS 1A Rolla White City HS 2002 6A Lawrence Wichita-East HS 5A Wichita-Kapaun-Mount Carmel Wichita-Carroll HS 4A Lindsborg-Smoky Valley Andover HS 3A Cherokee-Southeast St. George-Rock Creek HS 2A Lyndon Bennington HS 1A Bushton-Quivira Heights White City HS 2001 6A Olathe-South Wichita-West HS 5A Andover Wichita-Carroll HS 4A Mulvane Hays-TMP-Marian HS 3A Hoisington St. George-Rock Creek HS 2A Ness City Spearville HS 1A Rolla Ransom HS 2000 6A Lawrence Wichita-West HS 5A Andover Winfield HS 4A Topeka-Hayden Topeka-Hayden HS 3A Wichita-Collegiate St. George-Rock Creek HS 2A Leoti-Wichita County Moundridge HS 1A Ness City Ransom HS
DEBATE STATE CHAMPIONS HISTORY 4-Speaker Champions YEAR CLASS CHAMPION LOCATION 2010 6A Stilwell-Blue Valley Goddard High School & Goddard Middle School 5A Shawnee Mission - Bishop Miege 4A Tonganoxie 3-2-1A Moundridge 2009 6A Stilwell-Blue Valley Topeka-Washburn Rural HS & 5A Hutchinson Topeka-Washburn Rural MS 4A Fort Scott 3-2-1A Moundridge 2008 6A Stilwell-Blue Valley Garden City HS 5A Tecumseh-Shawnee Heights 4A Buhler 3-2-1A Wichita-The Independent School 2007 6A Lawrence-Free State Stilwell-Blue Valley HS 5A Hutchinson 4A Buhler 3-2-1A Moundridge 2006 6A Stilwell-Blue Valley Derby HS 5A Shawnee Mission-Bishop Miege 4A Buhler 3-2-1A Moundridge 2005 6A Overland Park-Blue Valley North Topeka-Washburn Rural HS & 5A Stilwell-Blue Valley Topeka-Washburn Rural MS 4A Tonganoxie 3-2-1A Wichita-The Independent School 2004 6A Overland Park-Blue Valley North Salina-South HS & 5A Shawnee Mission-Bishop Miege Salina-Central HS 4A Tonganoxie 3-2-1A Moundridge 2003 6A Overland Park-Blue Valley North Stilwell-Blue Valley HS & 5A Stilwell-Blue Valley Overland Park-Blue Valley West HS 4A Tonganoxie 3-2-1A Moundridge 2002 6A Overland Park-Blue Valley North Goddard HS & Amelia Earhart ES 5A Stilwell-Blue Valley 4A Tonganoxie 3-2-1A Moundridge 2001 6A Stilwell-Blue Valley Tecumseh-Shawnee Heights HS 5A McPherson 4A Tonganoxie 3-2-1A Moundridge 2000 6A Overland Park-Blue Valley Northwest Derby HS 5A Shawnee Mission-Bishop Miege 4A Haven 3-2-1A Moundridge 1999 6A Hutchinson Garden City HS 5A Shawnee Mission-Bishop Miege 4A Tonganoxie 3-2-1A Lyons 1998 6A Hutchinson Lawrence HS 5A Shawnee Mission-Bishop Miege 4A Haven 3-2-1A Moundridge 1997 6A Lawrence Salina Central HS 5A McPherson 4A Lansing 3-2-1A Lyons 1996 6A Wichita-Southeast Wichita State University 5A Coffeyville-Field Kindley 4A Concordia 3-2-1A Silver Lake 1995 6A Overland Park-Blue Valley Northwest Topeka-Washburn University 5A Stilwell-Blue Valley 4A Topeka-Hayden 3-2-1A Osage City 2-Speaker Champions YEAR CLASS CHAMPION LOCATION 2010 6A Topeka Goddard High School & Goddard Middle School 5A Hutchinson 4A Buhler 3-2-1A Sterling 2009 6A Stilwell-Blue Valley; Nichols/Dean Topeka-Washburn Rural HS & 5A Hays; Haley/Raven Topeka-Washburn Rural MS 4A Tonganoxie; Powell/Lawson 3-2-1A Sterling; Leake/Ball 2008 6A Topeka-Washburn Rural; Schroeder/Schroeder Garden City HS, Abe Hubert MS & 5A OP-St. Thomas Aquinas; Clark/Wondrack Kenneth Henderson MS 4A Tonganoxie; Powell/Lawson 3-2-1A Ellinwood; Billinger/Thill 2007 6A Olathe Northwest; Parkinson/Egan Stilwell-Blue Valley HS & 5A Salina South; Higgins/Harzman Overland Park-Blue Valley West HS 4A Louisburg; Baumgardner/Baumgardner 3-2-1A Silver Lake; Brokaw/Hanson 2006 6A Shawnee Mission-East; Rubaie/Stenger Derby HS 5A OP-St Thomas Aquinas; Mendenhal/Timmons 4A Louisburg; Baumgardner/Baumgardner 3-2-1A Hoisington; Koval/Stoskopf 2005 6A Topeka; Bellows-Blakely/Buck Topeka-Washburn Rural HS & 5A Stilwell-Blue Valley; Trum/Allen Topeka-Washburn Rural MS 4A Andover; White/Papineau 3-2-1A Ellinwood; Libby/Stevens 2004 6A Manhattan; Johnson/Lee Salina-South HS & Salina-Central HS 5A Topeka-Seaman; Eisenbarth/Rezac 4A Fort Scott; Johnson/Willey 3-2-1A Silver Lake; Miller/Jennings 2003 6A Topeka-Washburn Rural; Madden/Parulkar Stilwell-Blue Valley HS & 5A Buhler; Clark/Lu Overland Park-Blue Valley West HS 4A Tonganoxie; Becker/Reetz 3-2-1A Halstead; Giles/Keller 2002 6A Shawnee Mission-East; Nye/Stinson Goddard HS & Amelia Earhart ES 5A Salina-Central; Blick/Nuss 4A Coffeyville-Field Kindley; Reddy/Reddy 3-2-1A Whitewater-Remington; Bariel/Kasper 2001 6A Shawnee Mission-East; Suni/Ardinger Tecumseh-Shawnee Heights HS 5A Salina-Central; Blick/Nuss 4A Tonganoxie; Stephenson/Manson 3-2-1A Sterling; Johnson/Bender 2000 6A Stilwell-Blue Valley; Whetter/Banks Derby HS & Derby MS 5A Tecumseh-Shawnee Heights; Elliott/McDowell 4A Tonganoxie; Smith/Manson 3-2-1A Sterling; Bush/Willis 1999 6A Topeka; Obley/Sebellius Garden City HS, Abe Hubert MS & 5A Andover; Carden/Cole Kenneth Henderson MS 4A Coffeyville-Field Kindley; Bush/Bell 3-2-1A Little River; Cordell/Williamson 1998 6A Topeka-Washburn Rural; Radhakrishna/Ahuja Lawrence HS 5A Andover; Roddy/Weltz 4A Tonganoxie; Folsom/Dean 3-2-1A Oakley; Teeter/Stark 1997 6A Shawnee Mission-East; Dayani/Sokoloff Salina Central HS 5A Fort Scott; Hudson/Lyons 4A Topeka-Hayden; Pavlacka/Pauzauskie 3-2-1A Silver Lake; Bell/Doebele 1996 6A Hutchinson; Nunns/Walker Wichita East HS 5A McPherson; Davis/Ferree 4A Spring Hill; Corder/Thornburg 3-2-1A Silver Lake; Bell/Hanson 1995 6A Lawrence; Gottlieb/Francisco Topeka HS & Topeka-Washburn 5A El Dorado; Halabi/Bolton Rural HS 4A Hays-Thomas More Prep-Marian; Meis/Dible 3-2-1A Sterling; Kruse/Heter Debate Champions YEAR CLASS CHAMPION LOCATION 1994 6A Hutchinson Salina Central HS 5A Stilwell-Blue Valley 4A Haven 3-2-1A Hoisington 1993 6A Hutchinson Manhattan-Kansas State University 5A Goddard 4A Parsons 3-2-1A Minneapolis 1992 6A Shawnee Mission-East Hays-Fort Hays State University 5A Stilwell-Blue Valley 4A Topeka-Hayden 3-2-1A Caney-Caney Valley 1991 6A Topeka-Washburn Rural Emporia State University 5A Winfield 4A Parsons 3-2-1A Silver Lake 1990 6A Shawnee Mission-East Emporia State University 5A Salina Central 4A Concordia 3-2-1A Hesston 1989 6A Wichita-Southeast Topeka-Washburn University 5A Hays 4A Concordia 3-2-1A Hoxie 1988 6A Manhattan Manhattan-Kansas State University 5A Topeka-Washburn Rural 4A Hays-Thomas More Prep-Marian 3-2-1A Osage City 1987 6A Manhattan Salina Central HS 5A Coffeyville-Field Kindley 4A Concordia 3-2-1A Hoxie 1986 6A Wichita-Southeast Salina Central HS 5A Tecumseh-Shawnee Heights 4A Concordia 3-2-1A Hoxie 1985 6A Shawnee Mission-South Topeka-Washburn University 5A Topeka-Washburn Rural 4A Concordia 3-2-1A Sublette 1984 6A Manhattan Topeka-Washburn University 5A Tecumseh-Shawnee Heights 4A Towanda-Circle 3-2-1A Hoxie 1983 6A Great Bend Salina-Kansas Wesleyan University 5A Topeka-Washburn Rural 4A Hays-Thomas More Prep-Marian 3-2-1A Hutchinson-Trinity 1982 6A Hutchinson Emporia State University 5A El Dorado 4A Anthony-Harper-Chaparral 3-2-1A St. Marys 1981 6A Hutchinson Emporia State University 5A Emporia 4A Wamego 3-2-1A Osage City 1980 6A Topeka Topeka-Washburn University 5A Topeka-Washburn Rural 4A Concordia 3-2-1A Whitewater-Remington 1979 6A Topeka-West Manhattan-Kansas State University 5A Salina-South 4A Concordia 3-2-1A Whitewater-Remington 1978 5A Topeka Wichita State University 4A Great Bend 3A El Dorado 2-1A Baldwin 1977 5A Shawnee Mission-North Manhattan-Kansas State University 4A Salina-South 3A El Dorado 2-1A Moundridge 1976 5A Hutchinson Hays-Fort Hays State College 4A Great Bend 3A Fort Scott 2-1A Moundridge 1975 5A Shawnee Mission-North Topeka-Washburn University 4A Derby 3A El Dorado 2-1A Moundridge 1974 5A Lawrence Wichita State University 4A Great Bend 3A Abilene 2-1A Moundridge 1973 5A Lawrence Salina-Kansas Wesleyan University 4A Manhattan 3A Tecumseh-Shawnee Heights 2-1A Moundridge 1972 5A Lawrence Emporia-Kansas State Teacher's 4A Manhattan College 3A Fredonia 2-1A Moundridge 1971 5A Lawrence 4A Garden City 3A Fredonia 2-1A Moundridge 1970 5-4A McPherson Manhattan-Kansas State University 3A Fredonia 2-1A Moundridge 1969 5-4A Shawnee Mission-East Wichita State University 3A Nickerson 2-1A Haven 1968 AA Shawnee Mission-North A Hoisington, Fredonia B Langdon-Fairfield 1967 AA Wichita-Southeast A Hugoton B Moundridge 1966 AA Shawnee Mission-West Lawrence-University of Kansas A Moundridge Emporia-KS State Teacher's College B Emporia-Roosevelt 1965 AA Topeka A Fredonia B Moundridge 1964 AA Coffeyville A Russell B Pittsburg-Colgan 1963 AA Emporia A Fredonia Manhattan-Kansas State University B Moundridge Emporia-KS State Teacher's College 1962 AA Garden City Lawrence-University of Kansas A Fredonia Wichita State University B Ford 1961 AA Garden City Manhattan-Kansas State University A Haven B Lehigh Sterling College 1960 AA Pittsburg A St. John B Meade 1959 AA Garden City A Abilene B Pretty Prairie 1958 AA Shawnee Mission A Fredonia Emporia-KS State Teacher's College B Burrton Hutchinson Junior College 1957 AA Topeka A Haven B Moundridge 1956 AA Topeka A Ulysses B Moundridge 1955 AA Shawnee Mission A Fredonia B Haven 1954 AA Topeka A Stafford B Haven 1953 AA Topeka A Stafford B Haven 1952 AA Topeka A Abilene B Haven 1951 AA Hutchinson A Stafford B Madison 1950 AA Hutchinson A Stafford B Winchester 1949 AA Newton A Fredonia B Bucklin 1948 AA Russell A Stafford B Winchester 1947 AA Russell A Abilene B Halstead 1946 A Hutchinson Lawrence-University of Kansas B Stafford C Halstead 1945 A Newton B Russell C Halstead 1944 A Hutchinson B Ellsworth C Halstead 1943 A Newton B Stafford C Fowler 1942 A Topeka B Abilene C Moundridge 1941 A Hutchinson B Abilene C Eskridge 1940 A Russell B Fredonia C Cullison 1939 A Russell B Abilene C Cullison 1938 A Newton B Dodge City C Bucklin 1937 A Newton B Mulvane 1936 A Topeka B Mulvane 1935 A Topeka B Canton 1934 A Topeka B Canton, Mulvane 1933 A Newton B Canton 1932 A Topeka B Brookville 1931 A Newton B Hepler 1930 A Hoisington B Clearwater, Vinland 1929 A McPherson B Pretty Prairie 1928 A Eureka B Blue Rapids 1927 A Chanute B Pretty Prairie 1926 A Atchison B Mount Hope 1925 A Winfield B Sedan 1924 A Peabody B Pretty Prairie 1923 A Atchison B Ness City 1922 Dodge City 1921 Sterling 1920 Chapman 1919 Neodesha 1918 Argonia 1917 Mount Hope 1916 Hoxie 1915 Hoxie 1914 El Dorado 1913 Burlington 1912 Ashland 1911 Ashland
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Liberal had 5 State Track Championships in a row in the early 2000's - What the heck!
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04/15/10 02:59 AM
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Cokeley
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Made in the USA? Not anymore: Levi's and Etch A Sketch are just two of the many 'American' products that are now made overseas. How will the increasing outsourcing of jobs affect workers and the economy in the U.S.? http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BUE/is_13_136/ai_n17206945/
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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04/15/10 03:51 AM
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Ben Dover
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Great Article: Quote,
Clara Flores, 54, a hem sewer in San Antonio who has been at the company for 24 years and was president of the plant's union, says that Levi's is providing retraining and other benefits. But she says it will be hard to find work with the benefits she had at Levi's: $18 an hour in wages, four weeks of annual paid vacation, and family medical and dental benefits for $24 a week. "Where are we ever going to find something like this?" she asks.
That means a worker could make a maximum of $37,440 per year minus the $1,248 for insurance. I guess we can blame the Union for driving Levi out of the country by demanding such an outrageously high standard of living for their long term employees! How about 24cents an hour for China workers! Yes Doug your right I see no need for Labor Unions, we can trust Businesses to be fair!
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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04/15/10 04:15 AM
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Cokeley
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Mr. Earle,
Let me tell you how unions work. In one of the facilities I am responsible for we needed data cable installed to allow on the manufacturing floor quality control. The electrician employed at this facility did NOT have the tools or certification to install this cable. We hired an outside contractor to install the cable. A few weeks after the job was complete a lift truck operator filed a grievance against our company because he was "certified" to install data cable. We didn't ask him to do the job because he was working as a lift truck operator and we had NO idea that he was a certified data cable installer. He wanted $10,000 because he would have gotten OT when installing it. Two days of hearings, two attorneys, a Union representative, the plant union steward, and the employee as well as myself, HR and the plant manager. How much do you think that cost our company? That is one example! Many of these types of activities happen every year. The overhead that we have to pay for non value added expenses like workman's comp, unemployment, etc drives the overhead so high. The wages are one thing but FICA, insurances, and benefits are quite another. Lets not forget that the Union employees are paying dues out of their pay. We have to pay people for crazy things like, congested parking lot differential, opening day of deer season, and the process to fire an ineffective employee will make your head spin.
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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04/15/10 09:22 AM
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smokeycabin
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Shawnee Mission Northwest - Boys Cross Country 16 titles in a row what the heck - 1990's - 2000's. Eventhough they have more miles on their feet up and down Quivira Road, Pflumm Road, etc., then I have on my work truck. They carry spare shoes on their back when the ones on their feet blow a tire. Good for them!
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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04/15/10 11:21 AM
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doug747
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I wish I got paid for opening day of deer season........
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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04/15/10 11:27 AM
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I don't know what I have to do to paint this picture, but what was this lady doing to earn $18 per hour? Was it a position that required great skill? Was she putting the size sticker on the leg of the jeans?
Something else that I find union people clueless on is the cost of health insurance. She has to contribute $24 per week to health insurance!!?? OH MY GOD!!!!!!! What a tragedy!!! I'll guarantee you it is a $15-25 copay, somthing close to 100% coverage, probably 90-10 at worst. If she were to purchase that policy, it would cost her $500 per month minimum, probably more, but I won't give a worst case. Add that additional $400 minimum per month onto her pay, because health insurance should not be required of a company to provide.
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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04/15/10 11:56 AM
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Here is a link to today's article regarding Pittsburg- St. Mary's Colgan and what they think about the proposals. http://www.morningsun.net/featured/x57950696/Class-Warfarre9 baseball state championships in a row PLUS a bunch of football and other state championships!!!!!!!
"Stats are for losers. Final scores are for winners." Bill Belicheck
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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative
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04/15/10 01:49 PM
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Mr. Earle: What does "fair" mean? Nothing in the constitution says anything about a right to a job or pay. Whenever I thought I was worth more than I was being paid, I asked for a raise first. If that wasn't given, I shopped myself and got more. Then I realized that the only way to be sure I was getting paid what I was worth, I went into strictly commission sales. That was scary (maybe I wasn't worth what I thought) but the best thing I ever did. Not once in my life did I ask someone else to do my negotiating for anything. I raise my children to always think that if it's meant to be, it's up to me! Also, if you help enough other people get what they want, you will always have what you want. I would highly recommend the most purchased motivational "tape" (yes it's over 40 years old) titled "bisquits, fleas and pumphandles, by Zig Ziglar and you might just quit feeling sorry for yourself and might start appreciating the employers who provide the jobs and take the risks a little more. Thanks and have a good day and a fantastic forever! Matt
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