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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative [Re: WillyM] #168861 04/18/10 07:55 PM
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Wow after reading that I am even more convinced that a multiplier is not going to change anything at the top just like in Missouri and Georgia in that article.


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Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative [Re: WillyM] #168864 04/18/10 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: Contrarian
Thanks for the correction.

Way out in small town Colby, what is yhat 15 miles from either Goodland or Oakley along I-70--don't now how far from other small towns, has the "practice and Participation' rule effected HS sports and the ability to put off season club, AAU, etc teans together. It surely did in Leavenworth and Lansing. Explain later. Would not like to hear you just ignored the rule--think some do.


Yes, Colby is on I-70 about 20 miles from Oakley and 35 miles from Goodland. I only knew the results from last year at the State Baseball Tourney because I was there as I coach baseball in addition to wrestling. The restrictions do not hurt too much in baseball as there are not nearly the same amount of summer restrictions on baseball like there are in some other sports such as football.


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There no longer any KSHSAA restrictions on summer coaching.


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Originally Posted By: GregMann
There no longer any KSHSAA restrictions on summer coaching.


Any idea on when there will no longer be restrictions on FS/GR coaching by HS coaches?


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There are none in the summer.


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Originally Posted By: GregMann
There are none in the summer.


I know that, I am talking about right now, in the spring when wrestlers need their coach.


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Have never seen it as a proposal for consideration from the KWWCA and/or any league; so, probably not any time soon.


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Originally Posted By: Cokeley
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There no longer any KSHSAA restrictions on summer coaching.


Any idea on when there will no longer be restrictions on FS/GR coaching by HS coaches?


I unfortunately can't see that happening any time soon. For the record, I would support that change. I think most coaches would support a change, but most administrators would not at all. The reason that was given to me was that it would cause friction between the coaching staffs of different sports at a school. (?)

I could not do too much in the spring with wrestlers because I'm the head baseball coach at CHS, but a couple of our coaches on the wrestling staff could and I could help out here and there if I was allowed to do so!


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Have never seen it as a proposal for consideration from the KWWCA and/or any league; so, probably not any time soon.


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Question on a KSHSAA rule. Why are only football, volleyball, and basketball coaches restricted from coaching their high school kids from Memorial to Labor day--except for their one week camps.

Baseball and softball are summer evening, cool of the day, sports. Recreational and club soccer are fall and spring sports--hardly no one plays soccer in the summer---way to hot, a kid coulg die of heat stroke in July and August.

Too be contrary, I don't care for HS coaches coaching their HS players outside the HS season. Leads to favoritism--play on my HS team or you don't play on my club team--play on my club team or you don't play on my HS team. It Happens--especially where you have near by multiple club teams.

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Damnit Contrare, we were just starting to get along, and you go and make another dumb statement. The summer/spring coaching is nothing but good for all involved IMO. The few that are victims of favoritism need to do something about it, by either working harder, or showing evidence to the administration of this favoritism. MOST of the time, it is "percieved" favoritism. On the youth football team I coached, I had only 2 kids that were also on our youth wrestling team, and I had to listen to the moms talking behind my back about me playing favorites to the wrestlers. I ignored it, but wanted to say, "maam, there is a reason those two hardnosed nasty wrestlers are playing in front of your sissy kid........"

I have seen what you speak of, and have actually seen the reverse of it, where a coach was actually stupid enough to think that high school softball was the "real deal" and that just because "you" play summer ball doesn't mean you are good enough to play HS ball. The coach actually had a discriminatory attitude toward the girls that play summer ball. I wanted to break the news to her that most HS teams couldn't win a game against most of the competitive summer teams that the girls played on in the summer........

You just have to deal with it. We are always trying to make rules to take care of the very few that it affects, to the detriment of the 99% that it doesn't affect.

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More often than not, the off season coaches do a better job of disciplining the kids because, the coaches usually don't have the fear of their job being on the line. Also, anyone that has the patience and willing to take the time to work with the youth has only one thing in mind. Help the kid become a better person and student. I have the utmost respect for these off-season and non-paid season coaches. They are a HUGE factor in the success of the high school academics and sports. A big thank you to all of them!!!!!!!

Re: Would somebody please get Cokeley a sedative [Re: doug747] #168912 04/19/10 03:59 PM
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Doug, Doug, Doug.

My son letttered and wrestled and played soccer all 4 years in highs chool. Played club soccer in the HS off season. Got along great with the HS soccer coach--both h and I. Thought he got more, or at least a different perspective, techniques, plays, game plans, etc from his soccer club coach--they actually complimented each other. Did not wrestle after the HS season--wanted him to--but also recommened he go to another coach--same reasons: coaching style, learn different techniques and styles.

When I talk about favoritism i am refering to my nephew in Missouri. Pretty good baseball pitcher. His HS BB coach was also the American Legion BB coach--plus each high school was aligned with a specific American Legion Post BB Team--not by the legion, but aligned by all the coaches of all the teams. If you wanted to play Legion you had to play for the coach's HS team--and vice versa- and all the HS /Legion teams and coaches were like that.

You said you were accused of favoritism--and you were not coaching HS teams. You deserve a lot of thanks and kudos from your community and team parents. You are one of the few who steps forward and Say "I will do it (coach). I also coached youth sports at different times: T Ball, baseball, basketball, football and soccer--coached U8 girls soccer last year--great fun!!.

Still do not favor out of season coaching by HS coaches. Kids need a break, coaches need a break. Better for everybody.

When are you comming over for a fried bologna sandwich?


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There are no longer any summer coaching restrictions on any KSHSAA sports.


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Remember my sandwich was cold bologna and lettuce, garden tomatoes, and mayo.

The fried bologna was eaten with a fork with nothin' else......

I prefer to call what those coaches in MO are doing as smart!!!!!! Get 'em to play more, makes their HS teams better!!!!!

And the favoritism I was referring to was only an example of "percieved" favoritism that I believe 75% of favoritism probably is. 25% of the accusations are probably warranted, the rest "my little Johnny is better than that kid, but just because that kid brought the coach an apple to school, he is playing right field instead of Johnny....."

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But I think Cokeley was referring to "during school" coaching of kids. Right now thru the end of May, during school, there is a lot of FS GR wrestling going on, and it would be nice for the HS coach to be able to help out. As a matter of fact, a lot of HS coaches could LEARN something by being allowed to help out. Never mind the extra "bonding" that could take place to build team chemistry..........

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I know that this was proposed to the KWCA but I have no idea what Coaches Alley and Keal did with the proposal. FS and GR season should be starting the weekend after HS Folkstyle State. We need those coaches who want to help and those wrestlers who would like to have it to get it. It is about the freedom to choose to coach and to be coached. There should be no room for mandating anything by these coaches or wrestlers. We all know the coaches who care the most, coach the most and usually win the most.


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Opinions, everyone has one, some, too many.

If you want home grown tomatoes in NE Kansas you will have to wait till mid to late July. I don't plant tomatoes till at least mid May, sometimes Memorial day. Ground is too cold, plants just sit there doing nothing--plus there is the possiblity of frost--have seen it frost here in mid May.


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My wife just bought two topsy turvy things hoping to get tomatoes earlier, nothing better then fresh tomatoes.


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Mother earth does a better job. My mom tried those things and they grew itsy bitsy tomaters.........

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