Bo Pursel will start at 125 then probably drop to 119, He weighs about 127-128.

Konnor Kriss would have to cut off a leg to make 125

Yeah I figured he would do that. Im sure a lot of wrestlers will probably drop a weight class before state. It seems to be the trend these days. Bo could compete with anyone at any weight though so why drop?



How big is he now?

Konnor is weighing 142 right now

So im guessing 135 at the beginning then 130 at the end of the year?

I had heard that they might move back but untill I see him in the practice room Im not gonna get my hopes up I will believe it when I see it.

Doesn't Weigel go to HHS?

Thanks Quagmire, your Pre-Season rankings list is cool. I love lists and stuff like that. I love Chief's list and it is nice to see another take. Do agree with what Chief said about the weights. Just looking at 135 and down, many of the kids will never make those weights. But it is good to get their names out and you obviously put some time and effort into your selections which I appreciate.

As for ReDPloyd's offer, I will bite.
Lincoln Lemon of Goddard has wrestled 21 of the kids over the last 10 years and has beaten over half of them. Based on Quagmire's list, he should be "ranked" at 130, probably 7 or 8. He beat one of the selections twice this past season and won the Classic this past spring in a bracket that had two of those "ranked" individuals. Additionally, Witten has moved to Oklahoma. Not too concerned about the "rankings" right now because he can earn that later although I feel he already has. He wasn't ranked last year in 6A going into state and he placed. But if all those other names are getting props, he certainly deserves that as well.

But again, awesome job Quagmire.
And yes, best wishes to all.
And Chief, can't wait.

Just because you place at State the year before, does not mean that you are on the top 10 list.
There are many variables in each weight class.

I believe Matt Schneider (junior wrestled 135 at phillipsburg) should be on your list at 140 or 145 (not sure on his weight). He placed 4th at Kid's state pinning JR Roman (ranked 10th 140), beat Dakota Hayes (placed 6th 145 4A), and beat Patrick Weaver (ranked 9th 152).

I have him ranked at 130.

Uh duh.
Are you talking to me? Because if you are, I just gave you the "variables". Did you not read the entire comment that I made? If the kid has wrestled over 20 of the kids on the list in matches that I witnessed first hand, then I think that I am well aware of the "variables". I think when you have two victories head to head recently, you do not need any more criteria. That is a no-brainer. Unless you have an A beat B, B beat C, C beat A thing. Additionally, if you have beaten over 10 of the kids on the list then well....I am sure that is worth mentioning and would be considered a very important "variable".
I just mentioned the state placing thing to show that rankings don't matter in the end. In the end what matters is what you do at state. That is the measure and that is how you are remembered.
But hey, thanks for the info.

Yeah i have made a few changes on my list that I was gonna post tonight before Chief does tomorrow just to see how close i got to his rankings. I moved Konnor to 130 which made me decide to put Licoln Lemon in the mix at 25. One thing you learn as you do these rankings is you can't necessarily look at a wrestlers best tournament, his last tournament, or what he did at state the year before whether it was at kids state or high school state. You have to look at the overall performance. Also, wrestlers that put the work in over the summer should also have the nod over kids that did not, JMO. Like Tyson Schreiner said, there are many variables that go into how you rank kids, and you don't fully understand that until you have tried it your self

Amen

Quagmires Rankings for 2010-2011 Pre-Season Rankings
Changes: 125, 130, 140, 171

103
1. Zac Gentzler – Andover Central
2. Javier Vieyra – Salina South
3. Dakota Leech – Goddard
4. Anthony Calderon – Garden City
5. Chris Sullivan – Hutchison
6. Jr. Morgan – Abilene
7. Brad Hake – Concordia
8. Cullen Hood – Louisburg
9. Tyler Mies – Andale
10. Luke Henes – STA

112
1. Caleb Bonilla – Goddard
2. Dustin Reed – Colby
3. Jace Roy – Prarie View
4. Kevin Keller – Lansing
5. Brandon Ball – Great Bend
6. Quinton Harrison – Hutchison
7. Luke Maki – Kapaun
8. Dylan Eck – Andale
9. Connor Neal – Wichita Heights
10. Justus Seaton – Bonnor Spring

119
1. Austin Hood – Louisburg
2. Dylan Schumacher – TMP
3. Bryce Shoemaker – Baldwin
4. Hunter Haralson – Lawrence
5. Zach Dremel – Olathe South
6. Tim Prescott – McPherson
7. Bo Newport – Prarie View
8. Tyler Dickman – Mill Valley
9. Clay Mulligan – Scott City
10. Justin Martynez – Goddard

125
1. Bo Pursel – Lansing
2. Colby Watters – Arkcity
3. Cody Beasley – Haysville
4. Tyler Dryden – Kapaun
5. Caleb Seaton – Bonnor Springs
6. Tim Wrestler – Chanute
7. Tre Humphrey – SMS
8. Dane Norris – Manhattan
9. Cody Eastman – Valley Center
10. Lincoln Lemon – Goddard

130
1. Jake Gentzler – Andover Central
2. Mario Corado – Pittsburg
3. Zach Hoehn – Wellsville
4. Ross Whitmore – SMNW
5. Konnor Kriss – Colby
6. T.J. Stokes – Gardner
7. Johnathan Peterson – Hutchison
8. Troy Bainter – Norton
9. Colby Witten – Maize
10. Aspen Kmiec – Shawnee Heights


135
1. Daniel Deshazer – Wichita Heights
2. Brandon Charbonneau – Emporia
3. Symon Seaton – Basehor Linwood
4. Kyle Johnson – Columbus
5. Dustin Williams – Gardner
6. Aaron Seybold – Pittsburg
7. Jayde Kolterman – Clay Center
8. Chase Locke – Maize
9. Johnathan Blackwell – Bonnor Springs
10. Taegan Lambott – Rossville


140
1. Zach Tanembaum – BVN
2. Colton Eck – Andale
3. Alex Bontz – Andover Central
4. Kale Newell – Smith Center
5. Cole Schreiner – Shawnee Heights
6. Ky Biddle – Burden Central
7. Courtney Strauss – Abilene
8. Aaron Anguiano – Garden City
9. Garret Hinckley – Lansing
10. J.R. Roman - Hutchison

145
1. Taylor Moeder – SJA
2. Spenser Blew – Lansing
3. Trey Houlden – Goddard
4. B.T. O’hara – Columbus
5. Levi Eck – Andale
6. Bradly Little – Derby
7. Sterling Terry – Ark City
8. Ulysses Deshazer – Wichita Heights
9. Braxton Medina – Garden City
10. Rusty Yarrow – Clay Center

152
1. Connor Middleton – Olathe Northwest
2. Dillion Scanlon – Lansing
3. Drake Lovvorn – Holden
4. Nick Collins – Augusta
5. Colton Duhr – Andale
6. Rory Haug – SJA
7. Levi Schneider – Ellsworth
8. Gavin Grater – Clay Center
9. Patrick Weaver – Hugoton
10. Dawson Elliot – Goddard

160
1. Ryne Cokeley – SJA
2. Colten Picking – Abilene
3. Sam Son – Chanute
4. Chase Sanchez – Emporia
5. Dylan Penka – Kapaun
6. Landon Keiswetter – Norton
7. Colton Easterberg – Clay Center
8. Nick Meck – Topeka Heights
9. Jacob Eggers – Dodge City
10. Dominique Henderson – Wichita Heights

171
1. Matt Reed – Wichita Heights
2. Reece Conklin – Lawrence
3. Jake Delp – Clay Center
4. Devon Keith – Bishop Carrol
5. Spenser Wilson – Lawrence Free State
6. Tyler Baughman – Lansing
7. Taylor Baird – Pratt
8. Jake Hattabaugh – Andale
9. Jared McComb – Chanute
10. Cameron Leupold – Hiawatha

189
1. Tate Omli – El-Saline
2. Zach Anderson – Clay Center
3. Zach Grimes – Osawatomie
4. Dalton Beard – Goddard
5. Donnie Lockhart – Shawnee Heights
6. Luke Hays – Scott City
7. Justin McPhail – Liberal
8. Nathan Butler – Leavenworth
9. Zach Lanning – McPherson
10. Armando Alcantara – Turner

215
1. Gage Knudson – Junction City
2. Leo Beck – Mill Valley
3. Eric Mason – STA
4. Taylor Kettler – Spring Hill
5. Jordan Oslidal – Ottawa
6. Kyle Pacheco – Gardner
7. Kasey Crum – Pratt
8. David Garcia – Newton
9. Shawn Marlett – Derby
10. Boomer Mays – Eudora

285
1. Dillion Salmans – Hoxie
2. Luke Henning – Augusta
3. Derek Holly – Shawnee Heights
4. Taylor Woodruff – Goddard
5. Justin Walberg – STA
6. Caleb Molby – Eudora
7. Travis Anderson – Derby
8. Zach Callahan – Mill Valley
9. Aaron Rafalko – Junction City
10. Lucas Powell – Gardner

I apologize if my comment sounded rude. Let me just say that this was a comment in general. I am sure that you are correct in saying, that this kid should be ranked.
One of the variables that you mentioned was that he has beaten 10 of the kids on the list. That is out of 140 kids listed. I am assuming that the 10 kids that he beat are spread out over many weight classes since it has been ten years time. You also mentioned that he won a tourney with two of those kids listed, but you did not mention whether he faced either one of them.
With different wrestling styles involved,( this is a general statement), sometimes one kid can have another kids number, and still not be an overall better wrestler.

I was just obsereving Quags list Hattabaugh 171 ranked 8th.I know its just preseason but come on i have watched him wrestle his whole life and give him all the respect in the world for trying to finish the season last year with a bad hip you should to.

Look at who is above him:
Matt Reed- Fargo Runner up
Reece Conklin- Returning State Champ
Jake Delp - 3rd at 215 in 4a last year
Devon Keith- Returning State Champ
Spencer Wilson- Fargo all american (had to wrestle JV last year because Reece Conklin was his teammate)
Tyler Baughman- 3rd at state last year
Taylor Baird- 3rd place in Jake Hattabaugh's bracket at state last year.

Im not saying Jake isn't better than any of the above kids but you have to give credit to the kids who deserve it too.

I am going 171...
Taylor Baird also beat Devon Keith at kid's state last year.

Changes at 171:

171
1. Matt Reed – Wichita Heights
2. Reece Conklin – Lawrence
3. Jake Delp – Clay Center
4. Spenser Wilson – Lawrence Free State
5. Tyler Baughman – Lansing
6. Dylan Penka - Kapaun
7. Taylor Baird – Pratt
8. Jake Hattabaugh – Andale
9. Devon Keith – Bishop Carrol
10. Jared McComb – Chanute