Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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I see you have TJ Stokes and Zac Litvak at 130 both from GE. They both should be ranked. Just not sure what weight class yet.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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Quagmires Rankings for 2010-2011 Pre-Season Rankings
103 1. Javier Vieyra Salina South 2. Dakota Leech Goddard 3. Jr. Morgan Abilene 4. Cullen Hood Louisburg 5. Jason Perez Ulysses 6. John Risewick Norton 7. Tyler Mies Andale 8. Luke Henes STA 9. P.J. Cheney Turner 10. Reese Cokeley SJA
112 1. Zac Gentzler Andover Central 2. Kaleb Bonilla Goddard 3. Tim Prescott - McPherson 4. Dustin Reed - Colby 5. Chris Sullivan Hutchison 6. Alex Wolf Smokey Valley 7. Kevin Keller Lansing 8. Chandler Gordon - SMNW 9. Clint Solis - BS 10. Brad Hake Concordia
119 1. Austin Hood Louisburg 2. Dylan Schumacher TMP 3. Bryce Shoemaker Baldwin 4. Hunter Haralson Lawrence 5. Tyler Dryden Kapaun 6. Caleb Seaton Bonner Springs 7. Tim Wrestler Chanute 8. Tyler Dickman Mill Valley 9. Clay Mulligan Scott City 10. Jace Roy Prarie View
125 1. Bo Pursel Lansing 2. Colby Watters Arkcity 3. Cody Beasley Haysville 4. Zach Hoehn Wellsville 5. Bo Newport Prarie View 6. Tre Humphrey SMS 7. Dane Norris Manhattan 8. Troy Bainter Norton 9. Tim Wrestler Chanute 10. Aspen Kmiec Shawnee Heights
130 1. Daniel DeShazer Wichita Heights 2. Jake Gentzler Andover Central 3. Mario Corado Pittsburg 4. Ross Whitmore SMNW 5. Konnor Kriss Colby 6. Zac Dremel Olathe South 7. T.J. Stokes Gardner 8. Jayde Kolterman Clay Center 9. Brady Heinecker Derby 10. Johnathan Peterson Hutchison
135 1. Brandon Charbonneau Emporia 2. Symon Seaton Basehor Linwood 3. Kyle Johnson Columbus 4. Dalton Davis Lakin 5. Aaron Seybold Pittsburg 6. Alex Thibault Maize 7. Aaron Puckett Bonner Springs 8. Chase Locke Maize 9. Taegan Lambott Rossville 10. Zack Litvak Gardner
140 1. Zach Tanembaum BVN 2. Colton Eck Andale 3. Bradly Little Derby 4. Kale Newell Smith Center 5. B.T. Ohara Columbus 6. Cole Schreiner Shawnee Heights 7. Dustin Williams Gardner 8. Garret Hinkley Lansing 9. Ky Biddle Burden Central 10. Courtney Strauss Abilene
145 1. Taylor Moeder SJA 2. Spenser Blew Lansing 3. Nick Collins Augusta 4. Alex Bontz Andover Central 5. Trey Houlden Goddard 6. Levi Eck Andale 7. Braxton Medina Garden City 8. Rusty Yarrow Clay Center 9. Johnathan Blackwell Bonner Springs 10. Tyler McMichael BC
152 1. Colten Picking Abilene 2. Sam Son Chanute 3. Connor Middleton Olathe Northwest 4. Dillion Scanlon Lansing 5. Landon Keiswetter Norton 6. Colton Duhr Andale 7. Levi Schneider Ellsworth 8. Ulysses DeShazer Wichita Heights 9. Gavin Grater Clay Center 10. Patrick Weaver Hugoton
160 1. Ryne Cokeley SJA 2. Matt Reed Wichita Heights 3. Chase Sanchez Emporia 4. Colton Easterberg Clay Center 5. Jake Hattabaugh Andale 6. Drake Lovvorn Holton 7. Spenser Shirk Norton 8. Jacob Eggers Dodge City 9. Tyler Terron Lansing 10. Sterling Terry Ark City
171 1. Reece Wright-Conklin Lawrence 2. Jake Delp Clay Center 3. Tyler Baughman Lansing 4. Dylan Penka - Kapaun 5. Devon Keith Bishop Carrol 6. Jared McComb Chanute 7. Spencer Wilson Lawrence Free State 8. Casey Sedbrook Hays 9. Cameron Leupold Hiawatha 10. Domonique Henderson - Wichita Heights
189 1. Tate Omli El-Saline 2. Zach Anderson Clay Center 3. Zach Grimes Osawatomie 4. Dalton Beard Goddard 5. Donnie Lockhart Shawnee Heights 6. Taylor Baird Pratt 7. Justin McPhail Liberal 8. Colton Castlebury Dogde City 9. Luke Bean Kapaun 10. Armando Alcantara Turner
215 1. Gage Knudson Junction City 2. Leo Beck Mill Valley 3. Eric Mason STA 4. Taylor Kettler Spring Hill 5. Josh Martinez Marysville 6. Luke Hays Scott City 7. Jordan Oslidal Ottawa 8. Kyle Pacheco Gardner 9. Kasey Crum Pratt 10. David Garcia Newton
285 1. Dillion Salmans Hoxie 2. Jeese Trent Dogde City 3. Luke Henning Augusta 4. Derek Holly Shawnee Heights 5. Tylor Woodruff Goddard 6. Justin Walberg STA 7. Caleb Molby Eudora 8. Travis Anderson Derby 9. Zach Callahan Mill Valley 10. Aaron Rafalko Junction City
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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10/12/10 08:27 PM
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were you just adding kids in there cause they were on the chiefs rankings? Castlebury goes to douglass? which is what DG on his rankings means not dodge city.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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10/12/10 08:50 PM
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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I like his ranking, yes, alot of the weights are way off, but so are some of the Chiefs'. Yes, I know coaches are saying where they want their kid to be, but alot of these kids are growing. From following the summer wrestling I see both polls have kids at too low of weights.
College sports have more than one poll and I am sure Quagmires' Rankings will improve with practice. Remember in capitalism we need competition. Its the good ole American way. I waiting to see if he tries to rate the top ten teams also.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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10/13/10 12:41 AM
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I like his ranking, yes, alot of the weights are way off, but so are some of the Chiefs'. Which ones are off?
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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perhaps we could include a computer poll and use the average to find which two should wrestle in the All-Class Rankings final
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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135 6. Alex Thibault Maize 8. Chase Locke Maize
Two Maize kids in the same weight
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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10/13/10 12:56 AM
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Chief, look at some of your weights and the weights they are going at Fawl Brawl, I do not believe some of those kids are going to make the weights their coaches probably want them too, but only time will tell. It will be interesting. Love following your poll, and enjoyed your competition. John
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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10/13/10 01:20 AM
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Almost all of the differences are a weight or two higher because it's October. Dillon Scanlon for example is entered at 160 but will wrestle 152 for Lansing.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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10/13/10 12:43 PM
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You have to look at the overall performance.
Also, wrestlers that put the work in over the summer should also have the nod over kids that did not, JMO.
there are many variables that go into how you rank kids, and you don't fully understand that until you have tried it your self Totally agree and I do. Agree, but not if the other kid is doing track and baseball. He should not be "punished" because he is doing other sports, and especially if he did the Classic, Subs, District, State and Brute Nationals at the same time. I totally understand, I have tried it and I have been doing it with weights 135 and down for the last 10 years. And sorry for the belated response Quagmire, I have been away. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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I apologize if my comment sounded rude. Let me just say that this was a comment in general. I am sure that you are correct in saying, that this kid should be ranked. One of the variables that you mentioned was that he has beaten 10 of the kids on the list. That is out of 140 kids listed. I am assuming that the 10 kids that he beat are spread out over many weight classes since it has been ten years time. You also mentioned that he won a tourney with two of those kids listed, but you did not mention whether he faced either one of them. With different wrestling styles involved,( this is a general statement), sometimes one kid can have another kids number, and still not be an overall better wrestler. Sorry for the belated reponse Tyson, I have been away. Thank you. Yes, spread out from 103 to 135. Yes, the Classic. He won the 125 bracket. He did not beat "the two kids" there , but he beat a kid in the semis that beat one of "the kids" and he beat a kid in the finals that beat "the other kid". He did beat one of "the kids" twice before that just recently though. Yes, I understand styles and having a kid's number. Wrestled in high school and college, 20 years as a high school head coach. I have seen it, lived it.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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XGHSWC, here is a question for you. Cass Steele wrestles for Jeff West High, his freshman year he took 5th at state at 103. His sophmore year he broke his foot, and it pretty much ended his year. Last year, which was his junior year, his arm was completely broke in half in a match early in the year, and ruined his season again. This year he will be wrestling 145. Cass has beat, including Bo Pursel, the first 8 wrestlers in Quagmeir's 125lb. ranking, not to mention many others. Do you think he should be ranked? I don't think so. Howdy again Tyson. Sorry for the belated response again, I have been away. As for your question, I cannot say. I am not the "ranker" here so it doesn't matter I guess. I am fully aware of Steele. He is one of those kids I have been watching for 10 years. I do know he is dang good and probably good enough to be ranked but should he be? Not for me to say but probably not because he has been out some time. Plus, he will get his opportunity to prove were he is at now. I am confused though as to why you have asked me this question. Completely unrelated to any of my comments, not a good comparison if that is what you were doing. I was talking about a kid that has wrestled straight through, the last 10 years. Also has done the Classic and the Kids State series every year, won it this year in the high school division at 120. Has wrestled FS. And has been to Brute the last two years placing 5th and 3rd. Thanks again.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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Alex Thibault is a Halstead kid........
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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Quagmires Rankings for 2010-2011 Pre-Season Rankings
125 1. Bo Pursel - Lansing 2. Colby Watters - Arkcity 3. Cody Beasley - Haysville 4. Zach Hoehn - Wellsville 5. Bo Newport - Prarie View 6. Tre Humphrey - SMS 7. Dane Norris - Manhattan 8. Troy Bainter - Norton 9. Tim Wrestler - Chanute 10. Aspen Kmiec - Shawnee Heights
130 1. Daniel DeShazer - Wichita Heights 2. Jake Gentzler - Andover Central 3. Mario Corado - Pittsburg 4. Ross Whitmore - SMNW 5. Konnor Kriss - Colby 6. Zac Dremel - Olathe South 7. T.J. Stokes - Gardner 8. Jayde Kolterman - Clay Center 9. Brady Heinecker - Derby 10. Johnathan Peterson - Hutchison
Ok, I am sorry Quagmire, Chief, Tyson, whoever, etc. that I have not been specific enough for you. I have been vague I see because I really didn't want to promote one kid's name at the sake of anothers. Apparently I will need to do that to get this info through to you. Lemon of Goddard has beaten Peterson twice this last season. No disrespect to Peterson because he is dang good. Both placed at HS state at 119. Lemon lost to Beasley in the semis and Norris in OT on the back side. Lemon then won a 125 pound bracket at the Classic that contained Peterson, Kmiec, Henely and Stewart all state medalist along with qualifiers, T. Johnson and B. Johnson, Rodriguez and yes, Krista Revelle. He also beat Henely earlier in the season. Lemon then won the 120 pound bracket in the high school division at Kid's State in a bracket were state medalist T. Kolterman was 5th. Also placing in the bracket was state medalist G. Wright and qualifiers Gulley and Dakin. Also in the bracket were Pfannenstiel, Berends and Heim. Lemon then placed 3rd at Brute/adidas Nationals going 5 and 1 losing in the semis to an undefeated state champion from South Dakota. The whole time he ran track and qualified for state. He was in great shape and is as he is running cross-country now like Peterson and is also a CC state qualifier. He has split with Dremel and Wrestler. He is pretty dang good. He will probably start at 130. May go 125, may not, we don't want to be at the Y every night after practice. I probably should have just taken Moeder's advice and started the "Totally Legit Lightweight List" but that would draw way too much attention to myself and would leave me vulnerable to crass, albeit very funny, comments from Beeson and smokeycabin. I do really appreciate Chief and Quagmire's Lists and efforts though. I really do enjoy the lists. Thanks and have a great day! Now let it fly.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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Yeah i am really bad with the schools different kids go to I made a lot of typos. My bad im getting better at it i think.
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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135 6. Alex Thibault Maize 8. Chase Locke Maize
Two Maize kids in the same weight Even as good as I was, don't think I could have taken on two studs at the same time (say cheese):) No wonder these two are ranked so high!
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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Thiabault wrestled for Halstead last year, correct? Did he move/transfer?
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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That is correct he did wrestle for Halstead last year. I believe Quagmire may have just had a typo, because I have not heard anything about him transfering
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Re: Quagmire's Pre-Season Rankings
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103 1. Javier Vieyra Salina South 2. Dakota Leech Goddard 3. Jr. Morgan Abilene 4. Cullen Hood Louisburg 5. Jason Perez Ulysses 6. John Risewick Norton 7. Colt Skillman Burlington 8. Tyler Mies Andale 9. Brandon Ball Hoisington 10. Luke Henes STA
112 1. Zac Gentzler Andover Central 2. Kaleb Bonilla Goddard 3. Tim Prescott - McPherson 4. Dustin Reed - Colby 5. Chris Sullivan Hutchison 6. Alex Wolf Smokey Valley 7. Kevin Keller Lansing 8. Chandler Gordon - SMNW 9. Quinton Harrison Hutchison 10. Brad Hake Concordia
119 1. Austin Hood Louisburg 2. Dylan Schumacher TMP 3. Bryce Shoemaker Baldwin 4. Hunter Haralson Lawrence 5. Tyler Dryden Kapaun 6. Caleb Seaton Bonner Springs 7. Tyler Dickman Mill Valley 8. Clay Mulligan Scott City 9. Taelor Mendenhall Concordia 10. Jace Roy Prarie View
125 1. Bo Pursel Lansing 2. Colby Watters Arkcity 3. Cody Beasley Haysville 4. Zach Hoehn Wellsville 5. Tre Humphrey SMS 6. Dane Norris Manhattan 7. Tim Wrestler Chanute 8. Zach Litvak Gardner 9. Geoffry Wright BVNW 10. Aspen Kmiec Shawnee Heights
130 1. Daniel DeShazer Wichita Heights 2. Jake Gentzler Andover Central 3. Mario Corado Pittsburg 4. Ross Whitmore SMNW 5. Konnor Kriss Colby 6. Troy Bainter Norton 7. Zac Dremel Olathe South 8. T.J. Stokes Gardner 9. Jayde Kolterman Clay Center 10. Licoln Lemon Goddard
135 1. Brandon Charbonneau Emporia 2. Symon Seaton Basehor Linwood 3. Kyle Johnson Columbus 4. Dalton Davis Lakin 5. Aaron Seybold Pittsburg 6. Alex Thibault Halstead 7. Aaron Puckett Bonner Springs 8. Chase Locke Maize 9. Jake Umschied Andover Central 10. Taegan Lambott Rossville
140 1. Zach Tanembaum BVN 2. Colton Eck Andale 3. Bradly Little Derby 4. Kale Newell Smith Center 5. B.T. Ohara Columbus 6. Cole Schreiner Shawnee Heights 7. Dustin Williams Gardner 8. Garret Hinkley Lansing 9. Ky Biddle Burden Central 10. Courtney Strauss Abilene
145 1. Taylor Moeder SJA 2. Spenser Blew Lansing 3. Trey Houlden Goddard 4. Nick Collins Augusta 5. Alex Bontz Andover Central 6. Levi Eck Andale 7. Braxton Medina Garden City 8. Rusty Yarrow Clay Center 9. Johnathan Blackwell Bonner Springs 10. Tyler McMichael Burden Central
152 1. Colten Picking Abilene 2. Sam Son Chanute 3. Connor Middleton Olathe Northwest 4. Dillion Scanlon Lansing 5. Colton Duhr Andale 6. Levi Schneider Ellsworth 7. Ulysses DeShazer Wichita Heights 8. Gavin Grater Clay Center 9. Patrick Weaver Hugoton 10. Dawson Elliot Goddard
160 1. Ryne Cokeley SJA 2. Matt Reed Wichita Heights 3. Chase Sanchez Emporia 4. Colton Easterberg Clay Center 5. Jake Hattabaugh Andale 6. Drake Lovvorn Holton 7. Spenser Shirk Norton 8. Jacob Eggers Dodge City 9. Tyler Terron Lansing 10. Sterling Terry Ark City 171 1. Reece Wright-Conklin Lawrence 2. Jake Delp Clay Center 3. Tyler Baughman Lansing 4. Dylan Penka - Kapaun 5. Landon Keiswetter Norton 6. Jared McComb Chanute 7. Casey Sedbrook Hays 8. Devon Keith Bishop Carrol 9. Domonique Henderson - Wichita Heights 10. Cameron Leupold Hiawatha
189 1. Tate Omli El-Saline 2. Zach Anderson Clay Center 3. Zach Grimes Osawatomie 4. Dalton Beard Goddard 5. Donnie Lockhart Shawnee Heights 6. Taylor Baird Pratt 7. Justin McPhail Liberal 8. Colton Castlebury Douglass 9. Luke Bean Kapaun 10. Armando Alcantara Turner
215 1. Gage Knudson Junction City 2. Leo Beck Mill Valley 3. Eric Mason STA 4. Taylor Kettler Spring Hill 5. Josh Martinez Marysville 6. Luke Hays Scott City 7. Jordan Oslidal Ottawa 8. Shawn Marlett Derby 9. Kyle Pacheco Gardner 10. Kasey Crum Pratt
285 1. Dillion Salmans Hoxie 2. Jesse Trent Dogde City 3. Luke Henning Augusta 4. Derek Holly Shawnee Heights 5. Tylor Woodruff Goddard 6. Justin Walberg STA 7. Caleb Molby Eudora 8. Travis Anderson Derby 9. Zach Callahan Mill Valley 10. Aaron Rafalko - Junction City
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