Also, but this is only MY opinion...........We as Dads/parents need to be involved in our kids lives. Having a high school coach that wants to be involved year round is great, but not an excuse for us to expect someone else to bring our kid to the next level. Who cares more about my kid than me? Nobody! This is a double edged sword. You don't want to be the psycho in the room, but all I'm saying is to stay involved. My kid knows what I am going to say before I can spit it out. He knows I will go to war for him and he knows that I won't sugar-coat a critique. He also knows that no matter what, I am proud of him. It's called being a parent. Behind them all the way, whether it's holding them up or pushing them to greatness. I hope he is as thankful someday as I am for all the Saturdays my Dad spent in hot stinky gyms.

it would be really nice to have the kids program be done the week before highschool state. for one so those kids can go watch and see what the next level is all about. 2 then the freestyle can start earlier and actually get something out of it. it takes longer than one month to learn another style of wrestling. first and foremost you have to have state reps that give a crap about wrestling and willing to listen and make changes. i dont see that in kansas. i think those guys on there now were there 20 years ago when i was in highschool and really havent changed anything that makes a big difference.

Tulsa Union also has some the best athletic facilities in the region, which helps attract the better athletes in the Tulsa metro area. Their football stadium and sports arena put many of Kansas' DII college programs to shame.

There is nothing stopping you from skipping a kids tournament to go watch high school state, like Spencer and I did last year.

i hear that every year. we do take a break. it would also be nice to just be done with the folkstyle season and begin freestyle season so we can enjoy a little time off for baseball. i hear it every year to take a break. well the kids need more than a one week break. they need to be kids to and the state needs those kids there to watch. the kids need to be there to watch.

Can HS coaches coach kids other than their own children during the summer? For some reason I thought KSHSAA frowned on that as well.......


Posted before I read Brandon's statement that HS Coaches can NOT coach their HS kids. Until I knew the rule, I wondered whey Charboneau was the only HS coach I saw at FS GR events, but then thought again, and couldn't remember him coaching anyone but his kid..........

Stupid rule.

I agree. Something that has always bothered me is when our Schoolboy, Cadet, and Junior duals teams leave some of our best kids at home. One time, I'd like to take the BEST that KS has to offer. Our placings would be much higher.

I believe part of it is that a few of our "best" kids, don't want to be "embarassed" by losing in front of their KS compadres. If they only knew how much better they could make themselves by taking advantage of being a part of Team Kansas.........

Tulsa Union has unbelievable facilites, the Union campus resembles a college campus,the best that money can buy across the city sits Jenks high school with a three million dollar facility on one end of the football field and a weight room that most colleges could not match.There is no high school that I can think of in Kansas that could come close to either one of these schools and that is just two of many high schools in the Metro area that are first class. Obviously there high school association has different rules than we do.I am sure that money is no object and they don't lack athletes in any sport.

Tulsa Union is currently ranked #20 (team) by the Intermat.

Could it be that Kansas has become defensive in its approach. Dont know, but it appears to be a big problem when winning is your objective. Hard to be competitive when defensive wins are an option. Keep it close wrestling and coaching is killing Kansas athletes. The atletes who will remain superior will be become offensive. The coaches who wish to be effective will adopt offensive approaches.

Take a look at the Rocky Welton tournament. Count how many wrestlers from Kansas were in the finals and take a look at the top team scores. Pretty sad! Will Kansas ever compete as a state?

Didnt get to see the results of the Garden Tourn. But Im curious Jack, how many of the kids who won that tourn., not from Kansas, required OT to do so? Compare that to other Kansas Tourneys and I think you will find an alarming pattern. Lots of OT finals matches in Kansas.....

6 Kansas wrestlers in the finals i know of personally one won by major decision, in two cases two kansas wrestlers made the finals in same weight class 160-152 171 KS wrestler defaulted due to injury.

Kansas HS wrestling coaches have been allowed to coach their HS kids in the summer for at least ten years. It was only two or three years ago that the KSHSAA allowed ALL coaches of ALL sports to coach their athletes in the summer. The restriction on coaching is basically during the school year; August through Memorial Day. From Memorial Day until the "magic date"in late July/ August there are almost NO summer coaching restrictions. (I am sorry, but I do not have that "magic date" committed to memory.)

That magic date would equal most of freestyle/greco season is the issue. Yes some of the hardcore wrestle through Fargo, but when the state FS.GR tournament is in May, coaches can't work with the majority of their kids.

They can, just not at those times! I see more summer wrestling going on than ever in history in this state. Yet FS/GR numbers appear to be static. You figure it out.

sporto- Can you tell me WHY? that is what I am trying to figure out!

Why what?

You stated "They can, just not at those times"

Why cant they coach at those times?

I dont know if the rumor about KState starting a D1 program but I do know that I wrestled for the club team when I finished with ball there and we had a pretty good program. We always finished in the top 15 or so I believe and always had atleast 1 or 2 placers including finalists and National Champs. The thing that I was told as to why we couldnt go D1 was the fact of Title IX and having a female program to match it.