so, what you're saying is that a kid can get away with an illegal hold as long as the ref doesnt realize it's an illegal hold and it will be okay?! The reason I make this comment is because all year long I have seen refs blow calls on illegal holds ESPECIALLY a full nelson hold. I saw it once again at State! the kid had a full nelson on another kid being down by 2 points he turned the other kid with the full nelson to his back and the ref started counting near fall points! The kid with the full nelson on won the match by 1 point sending the other kid home. Not only did I witness this illegal hold and very poor judgement on the part of the official, but also all of the coaches around the mats were yelling about the full nelson being applied. in response to the losing kids coaches questioning the official he claimed that it was NOT a full nelson that the kid had on the other kid. Makes me wonder if the officials even know what holds are legal and which ones are illegal and downright DANGEROUS.