I get that the KS guys you mentioned are very tough, they are legendary, and their accomplishments are extraordinary. My point, for the third time, is you can brag them down all you want but until they hit the big pond, at any level, what they did has to be held in perspective. These tournaments I mentioned might have 50-80 per bracket, have hundreds of nationally ranked kids, and are not even in the same class as any Kansas tournament, ever. Enough said. Go wrestle there and then say you never lost or got taken down.