Im not talking about football this is Wrestling. The 1998 Salina Central football team dominated that year, not too sure what that has to do with Wrestling though. Please prove to me that the 5a wrestlers are better? With 31 of the 45 going 0-2 and 10 going 1-2 only beating another wrestler with a losing record. I just do not see how you can say they wrestled better quality wrestlers during the season. Please show me FACTS that proves this comment. Let me in to your insight with 45 kids (20%) in a state tourny with losing records, I do not understand how you could possibly think they wrestled better guys. I willing to listen but I think a kid that is 4-14 would get beat by a any wrestler that has 30+ wins You guys act like you never run across a 4a team at all during the season.

I just posted about some problems with filling the brackets by small roster inner city schools. My wife is an administrator at Sumn Academy in KC, KS. Sumner is a five year school (8-12) and I see a lot of all mS and HS sports. I see two problems that I want to highlight:

1. KC Middle school wrestling coaches tweak their lineups--shuffle wrestlers--to get the most team points, i.e., its better to manage their wrestlers in to walk overs foe a team win rather than have the wrestlers get mat time--win or lose. In MS, who cares who wins and who loses--evidently only the coaches. Have talked to the coach at my wifes school, plus coaches from other MS, and all I normally get is blank looks [plus excuses). One solution, waive or relax the weight brackets: within reason let a MS kid wrestle his weight and up or down a weight.

2. Not enough Hispanics in wrestling in inner city schools. Does not seem to be a problem out west. Inner city Hispanic almost totally play soccer--very few footballers, less BBers, almost no wrestlers. Good athletes, need to get them into more sports!!

Austin Right now it is harder for 4a 3a guys to make it to the state tourny! Why would it be such a big deal if it were harder for 5a 6a? 5a regional Emporia only have 5 or 6 guys in many of the brackets. Im not seeing how they will suddenly have a full 16.As a Competitor you should want a full 16 man bracket. Beeson only lets his son Wrestle the tuffest tournys of the year so he can only wrestle great competition. I think he said Jake has only wrestled 5 times this year.

You are ignoring the consensus that believes that the 6a and 5A schools wrestle the better competition (among themselves in leagues and across the state in the better and bigger tournaments (Bobcat, Newton, BIT, EKL, Sunflower etc)

All hell, just put everybody together and have just one State Tournament. Place the top 10 and call it good! You could have lower weights from 8am to 1pm and heavier wieghts from 2pm to 7pm. Start on Thursday and end on Saturday. There you go, problem solved!

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it doesn't have anything to do with wrestling. it has everything to do with your "good argument".

The Mustangs dominated because they had to play one less game than the 1998 2a, 3a, and 4a teams. If they had to play a bi-district game, against a team that earned their way to the playoffs, their domination would be proven. That state championship would mean something. Right now the facts are 5a teams that made the playoffs that year, with sub .500 records, watered down the competition. Salina Central has state football championships in 5a, they wouldn't have so many, or any at all, if they had to combine with 6a. Take down the patch Lucas, you played a watered down, easy road, playoff schedule.

please tell me how the 5a football champions differ from the wrestling state champions. 5a football is watered down, according to your standards, the same as wrestling. just facts to a good argument.

#1 ranked wrestlers:

5A - 7
6A - 3
4A - 3
321A - 1

Chief,
They only problem I see with this, is that 321A may not get the credit to be ranked #1 in your all class rankings, as they dont see some of the competion in the east or the bigger tournaments. And I know here it comes from someone (go to the better tournaments) well, remember this is not up to the kids who wreslte, it is up to the school district and/or AD. I wrestled for a small school in western kansas many moons ago, and we were limited on where we could go to compete. JMO.

Also I followed 5A much of this year, and there are some studs in 5A, just look at the salina south reginal 120. State placers from last year were left home. As far as filling up the brackets, I dont know if there is a good solution. Someone is NOT going to be happy if it is changed, and others WILL be happy. So pick your battle.

Your rankings mean nothing to me. Thats how you feel Im not arguing about the kids with winning records, Im arguing that something needs to be changed about the 20% of kids in the 5a bracket with losing records.

Oklahoma has 2 Regionals and an 8 man state I think that is a great solution for 5a and 6a. you would have to earn your way to the state tourny.

Please prove it to me. You guys all seem to think that but were is the proof 20% of the 50% of the kids that wrestle at state had a losing record. Where is this great competition? How can you say that a 30-5 kid in 4a has wrestled weaker competition than a 4-15 kid in 5a.

Finally a good idea! But do it for ALL CLASSES 3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A. And only place the top 4.

I guess its true...you really can't fix stupid!!

Some one ranked the teams for each classification this year, 456a all ended up out different than the rankings. Your ranking for this years wrestlers should have absolutely nothing to do with it. You are not GOD you do not know Who could beat who it is a guess and thats all there is too it.

Mr. Baker do you watch Kansas wrestling on a regular basis??!!

It can't be proven either way. One year, 6A has the best wrestler in the state, next year it's 5A or maybe 4A. Sometimes it's 3-2-1A. It's that way in every weight class. Each year is different as kids graduate and new kids come in. Some move up weight and some move down. It's all speculation. The one thing that is for sure is this.......Who the best wrestler is, has nothing to do their records or what class they are in, because at the highest levels you are going to have a lot of close matches and most of the time they could go either way.

Look at Oklahomas 5a bracket look how much different it is. I found one wrestler with a losing record. Dont call me stupid because I think we need to change. Id bet I could show you 10 more states brackets that have less than 10 kids with losing records.
http://www.stillwaterwrestling.com/statechamps/brackets/2011state/pre/2011_5A_state_brackets.pdf

Most of the kids have single digit losses

Nowhere in that statement did I call you stupid!! However if that's what u think then that's a personal problem. I think this argument is stupid. But you never awnsered my question. Do you watch Kansas wrestling on a regular basis?!!

I LIVE IN TEXAS SO I CANNOT. BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HAVING 45 KIDS IN 5A STATE WITH LOSING RECORDS OF WICH 31 WENT 0-2 AND 10 WENT 1-2 ONLY BEATING ANOTHER KID WITH A LOSING RECORD

emotions???? you can't make an argument on emotions!

here another fact for you. Scott City number (#1 in 321a) (super 16 man regionals) matched up head to head with 4a, 5a, and 6a at Garden City. the beavers finished 11th, behind Ark City (#1 in 5a), Newton (#2 in 5a, Andale (#1 in 4a), Emporia (#8!!! in 5a), Garden City (#8!!! in 6a), Hays (#9!!! in 5a), and Dodge City (#9!!! in 6a.

I'm not trying to say one class is tougher than the other, call you stupid, call you GOD, or get all emotional. I'm just showing you some facts, to a good argument. Level of competition means something

If you live in another sate then you shouldn't be worried about Kansas haha. You shouldn't call these kids out that have losing records. Especially if you haven't watched them wrestle!!