I thought it was some good conversation on a topic that is discussed alot at coaches meetings teacher meetings and admin. meetings as well as the good ol stands

I would also like to know why this topic was removed?

The topic was a direct attack on a high school wrestler.

Ironic thought coming from you.

I never saw this topic but I do have an opinion. If a student repeats a grade it better be for a very good reason. I knew a wrestler that was a straight "A" student all his life but the year he was supposed to enter high school, he was still thirteen years old. That is a very good reason. If a student is making horrible grades and is struggling for any apparent reason acedemically, then he should be held back.

But if the only reason is to gain an athletic advantage, then KSHSAA should step in and remove one year of athletic eligibility. ie.. if a student repeats a grade for athletic advantage, they should only be able to compete their freshman, sophomore, and junior year. It would defeat the purpose to have them sit out their freshman year. They would still have the same age advantage of being old as a senior if this was the case.

I think KSHSAA should be very strict about this issue to keep competition fair. I know there may be many loop holes, but it should be policed.

Just an opinion!

However, good luck to those wrestlers who have found the loop holes at this point in time as they have not broken any wrestling rules. You can't blame them at this point in time.

Church

I like your idea but you can't enforce it. There are too many variables. The parents will just find a way around the rule. The point is, until parents start focusing as much energy and commitment to their child's academics as they do to their athletics, there will always be someone who will try to "buck the system."

Very true MOM4.... I tried to express that in my post. If parents are going to worry about their age of their child and wanting them to be able to buy beer as a senior in high school... maybe they should plan their pregancy and child birth to have a september birthday (I believe that's it) so they can start a little later and be a year older. (However... is it really that serious?) Is that one year the difference in their whole life? Who knows!

Are there really schools that will allow a student with decent grades to repeat a grade? I know in my district it would never be allowed - not with the way we are expected to test now. Maybe with NCLB being a condition of school accreditation that that will eliminate some of the inconsistencies.

There are ways!

I still do not agree with it but dont know why it should be looked at it as wrong or cheating either...if it givest hekid an advantage well so be it..so does getting extra help for ACT and SAT it all comes down to scholarship dollars.

I'm still interested in the "recruiting" aspect of wrestling which I think isn't looked at enough. Mike Furches who is in Hollywood this weekend knows that someone on themat.com was spewing their guts about 2 guys transferring to Bishop Lynch next year from a Kansas school...if that happens, I would think ammo would be readily available for someone wanting to protest.

i want to see this topic deleted too, that way someone could make a "Why was the HS "red shirting" topic removed topic removed?" thread. now THAT would be crazy.

This is quite possibly the most boring thread in the history of the forum. As I sit here reading it, I am totally uninterested. Sadly enough, I read the whole thing.

I will post the direct quote and link once thematforums is working more properly, been having trouble with there site with some errors on it causing a virtual melt down.

Quote from themat.com:

"As for beard and caldwell ask them and they will tell you last year in n.m. was the best year of wrestling they have had yet they learned alot and it looks like they picked up some adamson funk and pinning, dont be suprised to see them in black and white next year i seen them around the adamsons all day."

http://www.thematforums.com/myforum/?show_topic=10710&forum_id=4&pagenum=1

The poster's name: CHUNKED

I think Mike's in Washington this week then a couple days after he gets back he'll be going to Hollywood.

I have been thinking about JIM's response all day and fill that I have to get something off of my chest. If a parent thinks that they are helping their child by "redshirting" them for high school, aren't they just telling their child that they are not good enough to compete with kids their own age?

I understand that there are "old" freshman for a variety of reason's and I have no problem with that. I just do not believe sports should be the deciding factor.

All colleges are more likely to look a ta 3 time or 4 time state champ than a 1 or 2 time, i know they get scholarships and so do kids that dont win state champs, but I also kno that colleges like getting that kid that is a little more mature comeing in then they dont have to wait..if that makes since.

I also know that if a college had to pick between two kids with the same talent-they will go with the one that has the higher GPA.

To base a decision like holding back a kid just on the chance of getting a college scholarship is misguided. How many talented and strong athletes are there in Kansas (or if you are talking division I or II-the nation)? How many college scholarships are available? AND if you are lucky to get a college scholarship, what are your chances that you will have a career in that sport after college? Wouldn't it be better if the parent focuses on things like sportsmanship, dedication and hard work that will carry with them for the rest of their lives without having to resort to a "gimmick" like red-shirting?

Plus, just because you are a year older than your classmates does not mean you will be the top athlete (or student). Sometimes it is the kid with the late July birthday with the great work ethic and dedication who achieves all of his goals.

I have never heard of a senior student not get recruited because he was too young.

i like how colleges are putting more and more emphasis on how a kid performs at Fargo now, as well as how he does during the folkstyle season. At Fargo it doesnt matter what grade the kid is in, because it goes strictly by age i believe (maybe Salyer can help me out with the exact rules on this).