And we have a winner!!!

If by a few steps you mean to the north end of old town or Lawrence Dumont stadium, at night, you would be correct. I don't have my concealed carry permit yet and I wouldn't be able to take it into Intrust even if I did!

i think the problem with intrust is that it costs too much to hold it there. like doug said if you rotate the classes you get a different venue. some schools would be closer and some would be further every 2 years. i dont know why 6a wouldnt cover gate costs as there are the same amount of kids at state. only difference is you might have more schools involved. in that case i dont see a problem with combining 5 and 6a to equal the amount of schools in 4a alone.

Only 7 states do not wrestle ALL CLASSES in one venue on the same weekend. We are definitely in the minority.

maybe since wsu wont get a football team they can put a roof over cessna stadium.

I would think with all 4 classes under the same roof and if they combine the money there spending on separate arenas they could afford Intrust Arena? Moreover look at the additional revenue from hotel accommodations concession sales and as we all know excitement generates excitement. This all equals more fans, which equals more dollars for Kansas wrestling. Has anyone even approached Intrust Arena? This is a no brainier when it comes to promoting our sport in Kansas. Kansas High School wrestling would make a ton of money if they put all 4 classes under one roof. I believe Intrust Arena could accommodate 4 classes. My Thoughts

Intrust would be perfect , plenty of parking (there is 1200 parking spaces not being used during the day 2 blocks away from Intrust arena), plenty of hotels , plenty of resturants .


Dan Gentzler

321a won't ever leave hays

It doesnt look like it will happen but I was hoping KS wrestling politics would find a way to get this debacle right before my son graduated.

After a few years of following the rants and raves of this board it seems the majority would like to see all four classes wrestle the state champioship under one roof.

Apparently whoever the reps are on the State Athletics board and regional boards can't read, don't care, or have an agenda that is not in line with the majority.

As I have suggested in the past: I recommend K-State and Bramledge Colliseum. It is big enough to hold the crowd and parking requirements. And unlike Wichita Bramledge is centrally located within the state.

Missouri accomplishes all four classes under a comparable roof (MIZZOU Arena).


Below is the schedule MO uses to bring the entire wrestling community together:

Thursday, Feb. 16
Session 1 (8 mats - 336 matches)
9 a.m. Gates Open
10 a.m. Class 1 First-Round Results
10 a.m. Class 2 First-Round Results
10 a.m. Class 1 First-Round Wrestlebacks Results
10 a.m. Class 2 First-Round Wrestlebacks Results



Thursday, Feb. 16
Session 2 (8 mats - 336 matches)
4 p.m. Gates Open
5 p.m. Class 3 First-Round Results
5 p.m. Class 4 First-Round Results
5 p.m. Class 3 First-Round Wrestlebacks Results
5 p.m. Class 4 First-Round Wrestlebacks Results



Friday, Feb. 17
Session 3 (8 mats - 616 matches)
8:30 a.m. Gates Open
9:30 a.m. Class 1 Quarterfinals Results
9:30 a.m. Class 2 Quarterfinals Results
9:30 a.m. Class 1 Second-Round Wrestlebacks Results
9:30 a.m. Class 2 Second-Round Wrestlebacks Results
1:30 p.m. Class 3 Quarterfinals Results
1:30 p.m. Class 4 Quarterfinals Results
1:30 p.m. Class 3 Second-Round Wrestlebacks Results
1:30 p.m. Class 4 Second-Round Wrestlebacks Results
6 p.m.* Class 1 Semifinals Results
6 p.m.* Class 2 Semifinals Results
6 p.m.* Class 3 Semifinals Results
6 p.m.* Class 4 Semifinals Results
6 p.m.* Class 1 Third-Round Wrestlebacks Results
6 p.m.* Class 2 Third-Round Wrestlebacks Results
6 p.m.* Class 3 Third-Round Wrestlebacks Results
6 p.m.* Class 4 Third-Round Wrestlebacks Results



Saturday, Feb. 18
Session 4 (8 mats - 280 matches)
9 a.m. Gates Open
10 a.m. Class 1 Fourth-Round Wrestlebacks Results
10 a.m. Class 2 Fourth-Round Wrestlebacks Results
10 a.m. Class 3 Fourth-Round Wrestlebacks Results
10 a.m. Class 4 Fourth-Round Wrestlebacks Results
12 Noon Class 1 Fifth-Place Matches Results
12 Noon Class 2 Fifth-Place Matches Results
12 Noon Class 3 Fifth-Place Matches Results
12 Noon Class 4 Fifth-Place Matches Results
12 Noon Class 1 Third-Place Matches Results
12 Noon Class 2 Third-Place Matches Results
12 Noon Class 3 Third-Place Matches Results
12 Noon Class 4 Third-Place Matches Results



Saturday, Feb. 18
Session 5 (4 mats - 56 matches)
3:30 p.m. Gates Open
4 p.m. Finalists March
4:30 p.m. Class 1 Championship Bouts Results
4:30 p.m. Class 2 Championship Bouts Results
4:30 p.m. Class 3 Championship Bouts Results
4:30 p.m. Class 4 Championship Bouts Results

http://www.mshsaa.org/Activities/Info/Wr...y&storyid=6

I always get a chuckle out of people who think somewhere is northern Kansas is the geographic center of the state. I would venture to guess that you would be lucky to get 4 full mats on the floor of Blamledge.

There is another alternative. We could add another layer of elimination, a sub-state, like we had many years ago when state was still in high school gyms, and have 8-man brackets at state. We would push the regionals up to the week prior to the current date and have sub-state on the weekend we currently have state. Then our state tournament would be the 1st weekend of March and just prior to the arenas getting busy with that other winter sport.

Glad I could amuse. I agree it isn't the the exact geopgrapical center of the state. I also agree its north and east of Wichita.

If the Floor level seats at Bramledge roll back or are not permanent...you can get eight mats in the place.

If the smart guys can find a place to have a Grand State Tournament...I could care less where it is and will travel there without complaint.

8 mats will fit at Bramlage.

Even if that is true, which I doubt, that still doesn't solve the problem of more than two classes being there. To adequately serve three classes you need 9 mats as we used to do at the Coliseum. If you have only two classes there it's a waste of seating in that you wouldn't fill it even half full.

I would say we should have only two 16 team regionals and have 8 wrestlers at state for 5A and 6A. 25% of the wrestlers just like 4A.

Sporto- How are you so sure EMAW land can't accomodate eight mats? Enlighten us.

WRT all classes under one roof, there will be times when every seat isnt filled. The empty seat phenomenon is compensated for by applying a fee to every session. I dont know how it worked with 3 classes.

I like what they do in NAIA wrestling. More than 1 guy from the same team may qualify in the same weight. Track can have 2 sprinters in the 100 yard dash, high jump, long jump or shot put.
Swim teams can can more than 1 team member in the same event.

Any thoughts on that?

Because like every other campus arena in this state it was built for one purpose and one purpose only, and the thought of ever having mats covering the floor never crossed their minds. What makes it any different than Koch Arena or Allen Field House?


They did that in the early days at the Coliseum. You talk about some pissed off spectators when they had to be rousted out into the cold weather after a session. It always took security and much patience to make it happen. For some people the announcements that they needed to clear the arena just did not apply to them. And of course the people who politely left when requested were left out in the cold waiting on the non-compliant ones. Eventually KSHSAA figured it was easier to just charge a bigger gate than to try to clear the arena after a session.

That's interesting. It is always achieved at MIZZOU Arena with much civility. It isnt the ideal situation to be rousted but it is what allows us to afford the arena. Most hang out around or inside their vehicles between sessions...kind of tailgating. Or go to eat..ya know whatever...people find ways to overcome a temporary unpleasant situation.

You can be pissed and anxious about change or continue staus quo and use broken down venues such as the Bicentennial Center.

my concern with manhattan would be is there enough hotels. i know there are a ton of hotels in wichita. would koch arena at wsu not be big enough. not sure about the parking there though. there probably isnt a perfect situation but we need to make it as close as we can to perfect for the wrestlers themselves. sending off the seniors with a bang and something they will never forget. having all classes in one location makes it quite a bit easier for colleges to come and watch all in one weekend.