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Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: Beeson] #214738 02/18/13 03:21 AM
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Stiff south wind lee. Should be there shortly. I farted again


Well you're just a special kind of stupid aren't you?
Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: J. Dale] #214760 02/18/13 10:44 AM
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I am going to write the archbishop today and tell him there will be no more call to share from me to support St James. It is inevitable

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: objective] #214909 02/19/13 12:05 AM
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Ark City would have qualified 14 at any regional regardless of class. They were certainly at one of the toughest. I witnessed much of the Andover Central regional and there were some good kids that didn't qualify. I believe they would have placed in several other regionals including those with "16" man brackets.

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: XGHSWC] #214918 02/19/13 01:16 AM
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I would politely characterize that as a very bold statement. No one really knows what would happen. The 132 bracket at Onaga was very deep, some good wrestlers got left home. I think young Biddle is very good, but one never knows. Also, the 113 bracket at Onaga was also very good. Then you have the 120 bracket at the Norton regional. This doesn't take into account the other regionals, maybe they were all weak also.

I also believe we have some kids at the Onaga and Norton regionals that would have made it at the regionals Ark City went to. Ark City can easily claim to be the best team in the state, but that does not guarantee you 14 at any regional.

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: John Johnson] #214923 02/19/13 01:46 AM
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X, I'm gonna have to call BS on that one. Better research that better......someone slipped some brandy into your mocha vanilla latte.........

No doubt, I agree with JJ that AC is the best team in the state. But we can surely find at least some question marks to your statement. I'm just too lazy to find them, and wouldn't post them anyway, for fear of offending you.

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: John Johnson] #214929 02/19/13 01:50 AM
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This is not directed to anyone, it is just my thoughts. You can argue this all day and all night long. Are there some studs at 6A, 5A, 4A, 321A? Yes there are Are there some very good wrestlers from each class in the shadows behind them? Yes there are. Are the 6A and 5A Regionals easier to advance to State? Yes they are. Does that take anything away from the best at these classes? No it doesn't. Until they change the way things are done, if they do, there is no reason to pick apart the young men that are quality wrestlers regardless of how tough their Regional is. They have earned their ticket to State.


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Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: J. Dale] #214930 02/19/13 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted By: J. Dale
Stiff south wind lee. Should be there shortly. I farted again

Thank goodness the wind is blowing 30 to 40 miles an hour here. After working at a sale barn for two years in high school, you sure don't enjoy a calm day.


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Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: ReDPloyd] #214931 02/19/13 01:57 AM
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All the kids can do is wrestle the guys in their bracket. Unless you are a catholic school in KC area.........;)

But I'm sure the AC kids aren't going around saying what X man said. Hopefully kids feel good about them selves to a point, and if my kid wins a tough tourney he should feel good. If he wins a tourney that isn't tough, he has to keep it in perspective. JJ and I are not picking anyone apart, we are just trying to keep Xman from getting too carried away.

Hopefully I didn't hack Beeson off to the point that he will take me off of his "questionable morals texting list"......

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: doug747] #214937 02/19/13 02:07 AM
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doug,

Like I said, I was not pointing the finger at anyone. What I do know is that there are a lot of exceptional wrestlers across the state. As I already stated, it is easier to make it to State in 6A and 5A, but that does not take anything away from the best wrestlers in those two classes.


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Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: doug747] #214939 02/19/13 02:12 AM
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The bold statement was made by someone who questioned Ark City's achievement by making some dumb comment about a 16 man bracket.

OK doug747 and DoubleJ I will accept all of that except the mocha chocha what? Never. Perhaps maybe hazelnut or a touch of cinnamon, but all that other what ever would just dilute my elixir to the point of defeating its purpose.

Honestly, I don't know if you can find any question marks. But the bigger point is no one should try to take away Ark City's or anyone else's achievement.

And you know you aint about to offend me so quit making that ridiculous comment to justify your laziness.

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: XGHSWC] #214945 02/19/13 02:23 AM
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I am sure that every one of the Ark City 14 believe what I stated. I guarantee that they all believe they could have made it in any regional. Why wouldn't they believe that? That's what I would believe. I wouldn't have to say it though because I would know that some old wise guy would take care of that for me.

No, I don't agree that it is easier to get to state in 5A and 6A. I am sure there are a lot of 5A and 6A kids not going to state, and their coaches and parents that would agree with me. It depends on the bracket. Some times, many times, its quality not quantity that counts most.

And I don't need anyone to keep me in check. I can handle that myself, but thanks for the offer.

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: XGHSWC] #214947 02/19/13 02:30 AM
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This is why I took my kid from Holcomb, a 3A school, to Garden City a 6A school, so that he could have an easy path to the state tournament! So far so good!!

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: doug747] #214953 02/19/13 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: doug747
Hopefully I didn't hack Beeson off to the point that he will take me off of his "questionable morals texting list"......


Check your text messages!


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Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: Beeson] #214954 02/19/13 02:48 AM
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I know Ark City has a team member that was an Undefeated State Champ in 321A last year. That is not the case this year and he will be more than willing to tell you how tuff 5A and 6A really are. He has also grown as a wrestler from the losses and is a better wrestler for it.

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Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: Beeson] #214957 02/19/13 02:57 AM
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I was certainly tempted to point him out but chose not to.

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: Beeson] #214964 02/19/13 03:34 AM
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Tough at the top, but shallow in depth. I think Cokely made this statement earlier, and he is 5A.

Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: Tyson Schreiner] #214970 02/19/13 04:13 AM
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Once again, in most instances quality trumps quantity.

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Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: XGHSWC] #214974 02/19/13 05:10 AM
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In what case? If your goal is just to go to state, or to place, then depth is everything. Explain that to all the 1234A kids that would have made it to state if they would have been wrestling 5 and 6A. I know of an actual situation where the 4a kid that would have been either 5th or 6th place at the Tonganoxie tourney would have most likely won the 5A regional at Seaman.I am sure that there are many cases as such. Also, this kid, and I would be willing to bet could beat half or more of all the kids that made it to state in 5 and 6A.

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Originally Posted By: Tyson Schreiner
Also, this kid, and I would be willing to bet could beat half or more of all the kids that made it to state in 5 and 6A.


If the kid is 160 or lighter I will take that bet. Any body can throw a HWT in and beat most of the wrestlers from 160 down. Now with this bet, it is like Diggs Town, he will have to beat half of the competitors in a 2 Day Tournament. Just because of the numbers I will give you 1000 to 1 odds. You realize this wrestler will have to beat 224 competitors. That will be quite an accomplishment. Im not sure how KSHSAA will count it towards competition points, but as we have all seen, KSHSAA doesn't mind looking the other way.


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Re: 14 Qualifiers! [Re: XGHSWC] #214980 02/19/13 12:51 PM
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You are correct about Ark City's 14 believing that, and I should have prefaced my statement about them not saying it, by saying "they have the confidence to at least think they can".

But again, they only have to place in the top 4 of the regional that they are at. They didn't have to place ttop 4 of every regional in the state.

And if anyone is looking at records of Ark City's kids and comparing their records to other teams' kids, that is a mistake. They wrestle a very tough schedule, so their records are never glittery.

But I think it is offensive to some of the other kids and regionals across the state, to make the statement that Ark City could do it (qualify 14) at ANY regional.

In this day and age, it is admirable that they can even fill all 14 weights with a live body. It would be interesting to see how many schools actually fill all 14 weights. Our team could only fill 13, and that is with some guys wrestling way light to fill a spot.

We do have to do something about the numbers in our sport. Whether it be 7 guys in a 16 man bracket in 4a, or 4 guys in a 8 man bracket in 5 or 6a, we can solve all of the bellyaching about the easy path to state, if we could get more kids out, and fill all of the weights.

I'm always going to BS like this year, and say 4a is tougher, just to get under X's skin. And he's always going to say that whatever class Goddard is in, is toughest, to try to get under my skin. Even though this year is the only year that I'd have to agree with him...... wink

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