Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
[Re: Chief Renegade]
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02/14/13 04:21 PM
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We appreciate the concern of our prodistant brothers, but you know what they say about opinions!
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 04:21 PM
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Where does it say in the bible or 10 commandments it is a sin for a boy compete in a sport against a girl. Without getting into a huge religious debate. . . Let me explain that the Catholic Faith does not just base everything off the Bible. The Catholic Faith asserts that Catholic Church Traditions are equivalent to the Bible when building a platform of faith. In other words, something does not have to be in the Bible or 10 Commandments for it to be a staple of the Catholic Faith. Touche Sportsfan, and guys these were rhetorical questions, I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic schools, was even an alter boy. I am very well aware of Catholic Doctrine. My posts were an attempt to provoke thought for those that support this rule that the Catholic schools have in place. And calling competition between girls and boys in sports a staple of the Catholic faith is a real stretch and probably offensive to most Catholics reading this post. Read above, big guy! I stated that I am Catholic and do not believe it is a sin to wrestle a boy. Your rhetorical question was pointless because the people who go to a Catholic School in a Diocese that has this rule know it is not in the Bible, but realize their Diocese interprets this as against their faith and has this rule. I'm sure my posts on this topic have not offended any Catholics with a brain! I really thought you did not know how the Catholic Faith worked and was just saying that the Catholic Faith is based on Bible and Tradition. I did not state that this rule was a staple of their Faith. I now know that your rhetorical question was intended to take a shot at the KC Diocese policies or the use of Tradition in faith in general. Good one! I will take my Faith any day and not take shots at yours!
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 04:33 PM
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. No one has taken shots at anyones faith. The faith your are talking about is Christianty. The doctrine is Catholicism. And this rule aint in either!
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 05:04 PM
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Here we go....been waiting for Chief to get on his STA and SJA soap box. THIS IS VERY SIMPLY....follow the KSHAA rules or go play somewhere else.
lol. I like Mill Valley too Peanut. Coach Keal is a good friend. You're on the MV soapbox again! p.s. Nobody "plays" wrestling.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
[Re: Chief Renegade]
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02/14/13 05:12 PM
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Yes, I know you know coach Keal. Rumor has it you have been calling him about this issue. Care to share why you called him. Doesn't appear to be a Coach Keal issue.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 05:14 PM
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These rules are fairly new in the KC Diocese. I coached girls at a Catholic School about 10 yrs ago. This falls soley on the Arch Bishop.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 05:18 PM
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Yes, I know you know coach Keal. Rumor has it you have been calling him about this issue. Care to share why you called him. Doesn't appear to be a Coach Keal issue. Actually he called me! Ask him.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 05:37 PM
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My apologies Chief, I had bad information. I would hope no one would called him as this is not his issue. He is doing what every coach should do. Put his best team on the mat and wrestle.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 05:47 PM
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At one point in my coaching career, I was dead set against girls wrestling. I am pretty old school (shocking to those who know me). I took a team to the Wichita Carroll Tourney one year and Great Bend had a girl wrestling for them at the time. I remember that Brook Medrano from Emporia was wrestling her in the first round. We joked about it, didn't give her much thought as an actual wrestler, sort of looked at it as many of us did at that time. Brook did what he often did to most wrestlers and beat her pretty badly. I had a kid coming off the mat about that time and happened to walk by her as she sat there crying with her face in her hands. At that moment, I looked down on her, and she was just a wrestler. She wasn't a girl or a boy, she was just a wrestler that was hurting from a loss just like anyone else did. She was a competitor. I remember reaching down on the way by and patting her head and telling her the obligatory "good job", but I meant it, and it changed forever my thought process about girls wrestling. She was a part of the sport I fell in love with over 50 years ago and she loved it just as much as any of the rest of us did. Not sure why I thought of that when I heard this story but I did.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 05:55 PM
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My apologies Chief, I had bad information. I would hope no one would called him as this is not his issue. He is doing what every coach should do. Put his best team on the mat and wrestle. I totally agree. Travis has taken the high road here and rightfully so.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 07:35 PM
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Travis Keal always takes the high road. It is the only road he knows. That is a fine wrestling coach right there.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 08:31 PM
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Let me get this straight. You're supposed to trust your boy alone with a priest behind closed doors, but not with a girl on a wrestling mat? That's messed up.
Well you're just a special kind of stupid aren't you?
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 08:34 PM
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Let me get this straight. You're supposed to trust your boy alone with a priest behind closed doors, but not with a girl on a wrestling mat? That's messed up. After the black or white smoke cleared the ruling was definitively and with finality pronounced to us a few weeks ago. At the time I was puzzled that this organization would be responsible for defining "inappropriate touching."
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 09:01 PM
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J.Dale, I find this comment very rude, and somewhat insulting to the Catholic religion. I just had this conversation with someone the other day. Before someone goes, and makes statements about priest, being inappropriate maybe they need to check the facts. The Catholic faith is put on the front page with their few bad apples out there that did do these horrible things mainly because the priest can not be married. Statistics show there are just as many inappropriate things that go on with other faiths, with the pastors, priest, leaders of the church etc...., many of these are hidden, and never made public in order to save a marriage, or to not put children in the middle of it. I am not going to get into a religion war over this, but I find your comment very inappropriate. And yes I have done the research about this topic. Now back to what this forum is about WRESTLING.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
[Re: L.Geyer]
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02/14/13 09:10 PM
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So what happens if a wrestler decides they are going to wrestle anyway? Do they have the ability to make the decision and face potential consequences?
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 09:33 PM
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The Catholic faith is put on the front page with their few bad apples out there that did do these horrible things mainly because the priest can not be married.
This wins the award for the dumbest comment ever on this forum.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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It was nice of you to para phrase my comments Jeremy. I said they are put on the front page as they are not married, but other church leaders are not subject to the media backlash due to them being married and not wanting to put marriages or children in the negative spot light.
I am glad I could help you understand my earlier post.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 09:53 PM
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Over under on how long the censor police will leave this thread going?
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 09:59 PM
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I think sta is going to start a few females in weights where they are open, Would be one way to mess up St james at regionals.
Only kidding.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/14/13 10:05 PM
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I did not paraphrase I used the sentence that you wrote maybe you should have written it differently. Maybe said "but statistics show ..." now back to wrestling...
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