Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
[Re: PurpleDad]
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02/19/13 03:39 PM
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My two cents...after all these posts, the attacks, the name calling, and the reasoning. I think it boils down to decisions that have unfortunate consequences. A decision to not allow competetors to compete based upon religious reasons was made. Agree or disagree, does not matter. This decision should have effected only the people at those institutuions. People agree by their membership, to abide by those decisions and possible consequences. You don't like it ....leave, but if you stay you are agreeing to follow the directives.
Unfortunatly it seems no one at those institutions like the decision mandated to them (boys can't wrestle girls) and the consequenses (forfeit the match, or get suspended, get your Coach fired......). This should have been their problem. But rather than suffer, from this self inflicted consequence. Another decision was made, with help from KSHSAA? According to some, Adults in charge,both inside the institutions and outside looked to circumvent this Self Inflicted situation. Another decision, a calculated, well thouhght out use the rules, to forfeit and avoid the mandate and consequences. A great idea if it only effects you..... but this was not the case. By choosing this path people outside these institutions were negativly impacted. That is where this takes a dark path.
Make no mistake, I feel for all the kids involved, none of them wanted this. They were manipulated just as the competition, the bracket and, results were. That is why this has caused such a divided and strong response.
This should have been handled in their house. Instead, a decision was made that shifted their problems to others, and all of this was done by Adults of strong faith and conviction. This is the part that is really difficult to stomach. I would hope put in the same situation I would have the courage to do the right thing, whatever that is.
I don't really have an answer, but as time goes by I would hope the Adults involved, be it a Parent, a Coach, an AD, a KSHSAA official.......or even a Bishop, will really look at their decisions, their actions and those consequences, to others.
Nothing was manipulated. The National Rules were followed as stated in the book. This is NOT the first time this has happened in the U.S. No one was given special treatment or accomodated. If the rules were not written the way they are then the results would have been different but this was NOT the case.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
[Re: doinasipleaz]
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02/19/13 05:31 PM
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Yes they coop with A High, until regionals, then they become their own Maur Hill team. Since the boy was representing Maur Hill at regionals I would assume he would have to follow same rules as the KC boys. They are listed on the Kansas Coaches Wrestling site as combined for regionals (See item in red in below quote). I think they are listed as combined on the bracket results too. Onaga High School – Fred Marten, Regional Manager Atchison-Maur Hill Mount Academy, Belleville-Republic County, Beloit, Centralia, Easton-Pleasant Ridge, Effingham-Atchison Co. Comm., Eskridge-Mission Valley, Hiawatha, Highland-Doniphan West, Horton, Leavenworth-Immaculata, Mankato-Rock Hills, Marysville, McLouth, Onaga, Oskaloosa, Riley County, Rossville, Sabetha, Scandia-Pike Valley, Silver Lake, St. Marys, Wabaunsee, Wathena-Riverside
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 05:50 PM
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They may be listed that way. But looking at the other schools listed I would guess thats just their home town. If they were indeed the same, then Maur Hill would be wrestling in 4a at regionals. Thats where Atchsion wrestled. Also, seperate team photos and MH singlets would point to being a seperate team at regional times. I guarantee they wrestled seperate at regionals.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 06:59 PM
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If Wikipedia is correct, Maur Hill is located in the Kansas City Kansas AD but is sponsored by Benedictine College and is a Benedictine school. Benedictine is autonomous. This is just information I read on Wikipedia, but I believe it would answer why a Maur Hill wrestler could indeed wrestle a girl.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 09:17 PM
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 09:23 PM
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I saw four priest in Wal Mart this morning...
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 09:48 PM
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What is this comment supposed to mean???
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 10:34 PM
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Not going to say it Will.
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 10:34 PM
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I really really want to but not going to
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 10:44 PM
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Must have been some kind of sale!?
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 11:11 PM
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 11:13 PM
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Re: Catholic Boy Wrestlers may have to forfeit...
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02/19/13 11:58 PM
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