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[Re: haskins6]
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Unless the child has skipped a grade it would be next to impossible for a 14 yr old to be a sophmore. The school cutoff date in Kansas is almost identical to the wrestling cutoff. Sure they may have been 14 for less than 15 days into the start of their sophmore year. Come on people we are talking about wrestling... who out there actually moves their kid ahead in school. It has been my experience that the opposite is true and we have alot of older 16 yr olds in 10th grade and quite a few 17 yr olds(just to give them the extra edge)or year of growing and maturity. My son a sophmore is only 15 and won't be 16 until summer and therefor will only be a young 16 yr old Junior next year.....should I be throwing a fit that he has to wrestle a 19 yr old senior because he is in the high school division.....Just let em wrestle . Geez!
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
[Re: haskins6]
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03/08/13 07:56 PM
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ok than the #1 ranked 12 year old national champ. Why would that be any difrent. He's sure to beet every body so he should have to wrestle up thats your argument write. No. When there is a high school division, that division includes only high school wrestlers. It doesn't include college wrestlers that are 18.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 08:00 PM
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haskins6
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Kids club season is just as long if not longer than high sckool and I've herd that some clubs practices are more challenging than high school. Got that from wrestlers. And I really dont believe a good 12 year old should have to wrestle up just making a point. high school is a grind and I just dont see a problem wrestling your own age no matter what your level off wrestling is.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
[Re: GOBIGRED]
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03/08/13 08:05 PM
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Unless the child has skipped a grade it would be next to impossible for a 14 yr old to be a sophmore. The school cutoff date in Kansas is almost identical to the wrestling cutoff. Sure they may have been 14 for less than 15 days into the start of their sophmore year. Come on people we are talking about wrestling... who out there actually moves their kid ahead in school. It has been my experience that the opposite is true and we have alot of older 16 yr olds in 10th grade and quite a few 17 yr olds(just to give them the extra edge)or year of growing and maturity. My son a sophmore is only 15 and won't be 16 until summer and therefor will only be a young 16 yr old Junior next year.....should I be throwing a fit that he has to wrestle a 19 yr old senior because he is in the high school division.....Just let em wrestle . Geez! First of all, who is throwing a fit? Secondly, your next to impossible analogy has happened. This is what you should be asking yourself. Why do the top wrestling states in the nation exclude High School wrestlers from entering Kids divisions? Maybe someone in their state should have tried your very compelling and thorough "Geez! Just let them wrestle" argument.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
[Re: haskins6]
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03/08/13 08:12 PM
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It's all good Haskins. Best wishes to your son! He has a great future ahead of him.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
[Re: Hossus]
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03/08/13 08:17 PM
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By removing these state placers as proposed are we creating a "watered" down 14 & under?
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 08:33 PM
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By removing these state placers as proposed are we creating a "watered" down 14 & under? Is 14U watered down all year? When a high school state placer avoids the high school division to wrestle the kids division, is the high school division watered down? Has that argument swayed anyone in the Big 10 states?
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 08:33 PM
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Like I said next to impossible to be a 14 yr old sophmore. Name 1....?
My point is I'm not throwing a fit and this is a stupid topic. Up until a few years ago all high schools didn't even include Freshman. If a Freshman is 14 let them wrestle 14 and under if they choose. It should be a choice. I doubt many state champs in high school want to wrestle down.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 08:36 PM
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Thanks its all good chief :-)
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 08:41 PM
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Call it what you want, if you placed at one of the three KSHSAA state tournaments and you have elected to participate in 14U then I think you have chosen a path that will not improve you as a competitor. I made the proposal and it is baffling that Club Directors, Parents, and Coaches think that it is ok to do this. The playing field is SO TILTED in favor of a HS kid that it is incredible that ANYONE can think this is good for Kansas wrestling. NO OTHER state permits this.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
[Re: GOBIGRED]
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03/08/13 08:44 PM
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Like I said next to impossible to be a 14 yr old sophmore. Name 1....? First of all, it's spelled sophomore. I will PM you the name. My point is I'm not throwing a fit By asking "Should I throw a fit" implied that others on this thread were. That is the root of your logic breakdown. Up until a few years ago all high schools didn't even include Freshman. Then they would not wrestle in the high school division. Are you a Democrat? (just kidding)
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 08:51 PM
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bbbbbbbbbbbb Another DEAD HORSE being flogged!!!! The idea was proposed at the state body meeting and was voted down....by a large number.
If you are going to impose a rule like that then you need to do away with any special awards such as the Triple Crown because kids are not allowed to compete for it based on the age they actually are.
That is just one small impact that would effect the kids if a rule was put in place. High School state placers wrestling in the 14U division represent a very small minority of our numbers. The last thing we need is more regulations.
Shawn Budke Triple Crown is ONLY avaiable to Schoolboys, Cadets, and Juniors. These divisions are different that the FLK divisions. FLK state champs from Kids or HS can qualify but then you must win Freestyle and Greco in one of the three divisions outlined. Not sure what this has to do with HS wrestlers who placed at KSHSAA state wrestling in 14U???
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 08:54 PM
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I will continue proposing that KSHSAA state placers not be allowed to compete in the 14U division each and every year. If you agree then you need to talk to your club director so that when we vote in the FALL they know where you stand in March. NO OTHER STATE permits HS kids to wrestle 14U.
Will Cokeley
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
[Re: Chief Renegade]
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03/08/13 08:59 PM
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Sorry guilty of being a shorthand texter. no I'm not a Democrat. Stupid topic because it had already been decided earlier. Yes even several Freshman would have to wrestle High school because they are already 15 and last but not least...you have to wrestle the best to be the best and I don't believe any state champ would want to wrestle down (age wise or ability) I believe in their integrity and I would hope they would wrestle to improve.
Good luck to all the boys in the next few weeks!
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 09:30 PM
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Do you guys really think that the last 3 weeks of wrestling matter to the High School kids? The High School division was created to let those who enjoy wrestling to continue. Your acting like Kids State is super competitive or something. Like this is going to make or break champions. For as much as I like Chief and Will, I don't understand how we can disagree so much.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
[Re: Chief Renegade]
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03/08/13 09:34 PM
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Like I said next to impossible to be a 14 yr old sophmore. Name 1....? First of all, it's spelled sophomore. I will PM you the name. But this SOPHOMORE would still be the same age as the kids he is wrestling. Sounds Fair to me, and I have a 7th grader. If he had to wrestle this Sophomore, I would welcome the opportunity. Wait that won't happen, I didn't red-shirt my 7th grader.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 09:56 PM
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haskins6
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What about me Beeson? I wanna be friends. :-)
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
[Re: haskins6]
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03/08/13 10:08 PM
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High school season was such a grind Garrett beat some good kids but he got beat buy alot of them. I think he may have won some in the high school division. But I wonted him to have some fun. For us thats what kids is all about. I dont think we would have done kids if he had to wrestle high school. hes already been through that grinder.
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Re: KSHSAA State Placers at Subs
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03/08/13 10:09 PM
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Amen Chief!!!! Keep 'em honest 
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