Tracy,
You got the concept of what I was trying to say.

Chief,
We are talking past each other. I am trying to explain that the situation we have at the state level with 14u and high school division is very similar if not exactly the same as the situation at the national level with the cadet and junior age groups.

1. At the national level a kid is a cadet if he was born in 1997 and/or 1998. Some of those kids are 8th graders and some of those kids are high school freshman.
2. Kids that are in high school and are born in 1997, 1996, 1995, etc are in the are in the junior division.
3. As you can see in both the cadet and junior division the kids that are born in 1997 and in high school can wrestle in the cadet division or the junior division. They have a choice.
4. At Fargo the kids born in 1997 and in high school are cadets. They will wrestle 8th graders that were born in 1997 or 1998.
5. USAW does not have any special rules that limit the cadets that are in high school from wrestling in the cadet age group. They don't care that those cadets have had a year of high school wrestling. They don't care if they placed at state or if the had All Americaned previously at Fargo.

Now for our situation in KS....
1. Our current policy for kids that meet the age requirement to wrestle in the 14U age group and are in high school have the choice to wrestle in the high school division or the 14U age division.
Implementing the bylaw change that you, Will and others would limit the choice of those very small number of kids that placed at high school state and meet the age requirements to wrestled the 14U division.
In my opinion doing this is no different than if USAW implemented a similar rule that made all cadets who are in high school, placed at their state high school tournament, or placed at Fargo the year before wrestle in the Junior division and didn't allow them to wrestle Cadet.
Nobody would support that and I would bet that you and Will would be two of the loudest voices on here saying how stupid it is and how it is limiting kids, etc.
If I am wrong and you support something like that at the national level then I will not argue with you anymore and I will agree to respectively disagree with you.

Shawn Budke