Through all the debate & discussion of the 4A split and classification fairness. I have always said I thought a more fair setup would have 40 schools in 6A, 40 in 5A, and 48 in 4A, 64 in 3A, etc.

So I had my teacher aide type this up, listing each school by enrollment, to see what this would look like. Here is typed what 6A, 5A, and 4A would be.

I also included what the range would be for each class, which was the primary factor in the Big 7 League proposing the 4A split in the first place, I thought.

What do you think? I'm not sure. Is this range more fair? If so, then the 10 & 12 team Regionals could be figured out, in my opinion.

6A
Range: 2258-1170
Wichita-East, 2258
Olathe South, 2090
Wichita-North, 2071
Olathe East, 2046
Olathe North, 2025
Garden City, 2024
Olathe Northwest, 1929
Derby, 1919
Dodge City, 1854
Topeka-Washburn Rural, 1817
Shawnee Mission West, 1755
Shawnee Mission Northwest, 1752
Topeka, 1739
Junction City, 1737
Shawnee Mission East, 1653
Manhattan, 1638
Wichita-South, 1601
OP-Blue Valley Northwest, 1593
Wichita-Southeast, 1570
Lawrence-Free State, 1555
Wichita- Haysville Campus, 1546
OP-Blue Valley North, 1512
Shawnee Mission North, 1500
Hutchinson, 1487
Lawrence, 1465
OP-Blue Valley, 1449
Kansas City- Wyandotte, 1444
Wichita-Northwest, 1415
Gardner-Edgerton, 1406
Maize, 1387
Shawnee Mission South, 1364
OP-Blue Valley West, 1357
Wichita-West, 1336
Leavenworth, 1334
Wichita Heights , 1304
Shawnee-Mill Valley, 1290
Kansas City-JC Harmon, 1265
Liberal, 1237
Topeka-Seaman, 1202
Wichita-Bishop Carroll, 1170

5A
Range: 1136-554
Tecumseh-Shawnee Heights, 1136
Emporia, 1103
Kansas City-Turner, 1090
Salina-South, 1064
OP-Blue Valley Southwest , 1059
Kansas CIty-Washington, 990
Salina-Central, 988
Great Bend, 958
Topeka West, 922
OP-St. Thomas Aquinas, 905
Wichita-Kapaun Mount Carmel, 880
Lansing, 879
Goddard-Eisenhower, 862
Valley Center, 838
Kansas City-FL Schlage, 812
Lenexa-St. James Academy, 797
Goddard, 795
Andover, 794
Arkansas City, 775
Pittsburg, 771
Maize South, 764
Topeka-Highland South, 755
Hays, 737
Shawnee Mission- Bishop Miege, 734
Andover Central, 730
Bonner Springs, 713
DeSoto, 689
Winfield, 678
McPherson, 671
Kansas City-Sumner Academy, 668
Spring Hill , 667
Basehor-Linwood, 647
Ottawa, 647
Buhler, 634
Augusta, 606
Paola, 606
Tonganoxie, 600
Independence, 570
Rose Hill, 576
El Dorado, 554

4A
Range: 595-251
Abilene, 595
Kansas City-Piper, 568
Mulvane, 558
Fort Scott, 543
Chanute, 529
Towanda-Circle, 515
Louisburg, 507
Altamont-Labette County, 490
Wellington, 477
Ulysses, 475
Coffeyville-Field Kindley, 465
Topeka-Hayden, 456
Baldwin, 450
Wamego, 442
Atchison, 436
Eudora, 432
Andale, 417
Parsons, 382
Kansas City-Bishop Ward, 360
Clearwater, 358
Osawatomie, 342
Iola, 338
Carbondale-Santa Fe Trail, 329
Holton, 329
Pratt, 325
Wichita-Trinity Academy, 325
Chapman, 322
Clay Center Community, 322
Garnett-Anderson County, 319
Colby, 314
Columbus , 314
Girard, 311
NIckerson, 308
Hoyt-Royal Valley, 305
Perry-Lecompton, 304
Meriden-Jefferson West, 303
LaCygne-Prairie View, 297
Baxter Springs, 295
Lindsborg-Smoky Valley, 285
Goodland, 281
Larned, 279
Hugoton, 271
Concordia , 265
Frontenac, 261
Scott Community, 257
Burlington, 254
Russell, 251

your numbers do match up Abilene has 595 and is 4A while El Dorado has 554 and is 5A

Abilene is supposed to be 505, typo

And looks like Piper would be up in 5A, and El Dorado down to 4A.

Looks like a great Idea!

It seems bazaar to me but after Holton got football split, obviously KSHSAA is up for anything,

Sounds more logical then KSHSAA's recommendation.

It will never work. Too Logical.

How many actually oppose this?

My Christmas Wish:

3 X 64 Team Classes AAA, AA, A

4 X 16 team regional per class

Top 4 to the State Championship (Sweet 16)

One site for All 3 State Championships! Take the amount paid for 3 locations and buy the best facility in Kansas to Host!

3 state champions is way better than 4 or 5!

OK. Don't want to sound to harsh, but after the 192S school in the 3 new AAA, AA, A classes, what happens to the other 26 to 30 schools who wrestle. Understand there are 90 plus 321A schools who field wrestling teams. So, currentlY, 32 + 32 + 64 + 90 = o/a 218 schools/wrestling teams. 218 minus 192 (3 X 64) excludes about 26 to 30 schools. I guess we can tell the smallest 30 schools to drop wrestling---maybe some could co-op with someone to make the smallest 64 school A class. lots of both bad and good points about co-opting. HOPE MY MATH IS CORRECT--OR AT LEAST CLOSE!!!

The numbers might not be as bad as you think for 321A. There were 69 teams at the state tournament last year, and 7 of those scored 0 points.

You could start by telling Stockton, Plainville, and Palco to all go to school in Plainville. The number of schools and counties we have in Kansas is beyond ridiculous.

I personally advocate ONE state tournament for individuals and then a dual state tournament for, at most, three classes.

Some 321A teams had no state qualifers. So, it becomes 64 64 69----or 64 64 and all others. This is just another attempt to combine 5A and 6A into one class. Nothing new here--nothing KSHSAA or 5A and 6A administrators will ever support.

Don't understand the concept of a state duals tournament. Never seen one--don't see the value of adding another tournament and its cost--even though some want to convert to only 3 classes.

Got to be some better, other ideas out there. in instead of a rehash of a bunch old ideas. A 40 40 48, or a 48 48 48, or a 40 x 40 x 40 for the top 3 classes is much more doable than a 64 x 64 x 64. The 40 x 40 x 48 biggest three classes keeps the current 128 school scheme but levels the class competition for state qualification. The 3 X 48 system (144 schools) will require moving 16 321A school up to 4A. A 120 school 3 X 40 scheme will force eight (8) 4A teams down to 321A. Take your pick!

I have no interest in seeing a 5A/6A combined class, but I do think a balance in numbers is warranted. Take 4A for example, there are years where six of the top ten ranked wrestlers in a given weight class are assigned to the same regional--only four will make it out. Meanwhile, there are 5A regionals with four entrants in a weight class...show up, make weight, and qualify; meanwhile at least two of the best wrestlers in a given weight are left at home in other classifications? THAT makes no sense at all.

I don't bring this up to start the KSHSAA bashing on regional assignments, but to point out the disparity between classifications. If you ran 48s across the board, it would stop the easy-street qualification cycle. Then, we can tackle regional assignments! =]

Agree on not combining 5A and 6A.

Disagree on 3 X 48 classes. I proposed this in a 2/20/2012 post on this forum. The problem is you would have to move the biggest 16 321A schools up to 4A. That would gut the strength out of 321A--and 321A folks will never buy it.

Currently 128 schools in 654A. That's a good number to keep. The 40 40 48 proposal (128 schools) has merit: keeps the same number, substantially narrows and levels the competition for state tournament qualification, hopefully creates all class regionals that can be wrestled in one (long) day.

May consider a 40 40 40 classification system. Reduces the 128 654A to 120 schools. Sends the smallest eight 4A schools to 321A--which should help 321A. Totally narrows and levels the competition for state tournament qualification. Creates 4 X 10 school brackets in all classes. Probably becomes either 9 or 8 school brackets in all weight classes figuring one or two opens/byes in each weight class in each/all regionals. First round opens/byes remain a state wide problem statewide in all classes.

Either the 40 40 48 or the 3 X 40 system need to be seriously considered!

When was the last time the KSHSAA changed the wrestling format or made significant changes. Seriously, what have they done. Maybe my history is wrong, but wasn't it about 84-85 when they moved and held 3 class tournaments to Wichita at same site (old Kansas Coliseum). Wasnt that the same year they dropped sub-state with 8 state qualifiers and went to the regional format with 16 qualifers. Of course they regressed and moved 4A to Salina out of necesity about 7-8 years ago. Has anything changed since then. Status quo I think is going to be the winner in Kansas. Has anybody acutally submitted proposals to the KSHSAA board for format changes?

Just to add, the dual state could work with little effort and would make money. Its very popular in other states back East. Check IA, OH, IN, etc for their different formats. Lots of posibilities to fit into schedule without being to intrusive.

Got's to keep trying!!!!!

I feel this is best class split option for KS Wrestling.

I plan on trying to put together a poll of all coaches to get feedback on its support, and also from the Frontier League.

I have no idea if this is an idea that will pass or not, or every become a reality. But I feel it is the best option.

I have communicated this to the KSHSAA & also my school administration to take to the Frontier League meeting.

The 40-40-48 proposal does not increase state tournaments, officials, medals, or expenses. It just changes what teams are going where.

The one issue is a 10-team regional in 5A & 6A. In the case that there are 10 wrestlers and there is a full bracket, then the first-round matches (there would be two per weight class) would need to be in either the 1st & 3rd quadrant or 2nd & 4th quadrant.....to avoid a situation where a wrestler would have a 6th match....am I looking at this right?