So a highschool coach who doesn't have his bronze card will be required to go sit thru and pay for the scam of getting his bronze card then have to pay for his background check and pay for his usa coaches card? Like Jerry Dale says it is all about money. Highschool coaches have enough to deal with they shouldn't have to jump thru hoops to coach their athletes.

I would hope most high school coaches have already jumped through those hoops to coach their kids during the summer.

USA wrestling is the National Governing Body for wrestling in the US. There are benefits when you become a member. Do you belong to the KWCA? Is paying for that membership a SCAM too? Coach Malloy, I take great exception with two things you have stated in your post.

SCAM - You are never too old or experienced to not be able to learn something new and perhaps you would in the Bronze class.

"THEIR ATHLETES" - So because a wrestler attends your high school and wrestles there they automatically are that coach's property?? It is a privilege to have a wrestler to want you to coach them.

KSHSAA will restrict any coaching by a HS coach for their own athlete unless that wrestler is a senior.

One of the benefits I hope to achieve from this tournament is to provide it as a BETTER alternative for our HS wrestlers so they don't have to be concerned about wrestling in the Kids series... I want to make it the BEST choice. Let the market determine what works best. I agree with all that you have said about the NCAA's and there are several of us on a mission to end the state series for ALL age groups before the NCAA's and spring break.

I just wish all the different entities would recognize one another's background checks. Did one for Cal Ripken more than once, did the one for USA wrestling a few times, did one through the FBI or KBI for teaching. I don't mind paying the membership fees it is just all the hoops you have to jump through. But, this tournament is a great idea. Would love to see it happen. One question. Would you be breaking any KSHSSA rules if you only had a handful of kids that wanted to participate so you had them go practice in one central location with other HS kids in the area. Say OZ, Paola, Prairie View, Louisburg etc all met at Paola and practiced? I would hope not.

Will, you know I'm in favor of whatever makes our state stronger.
This tournament is a far better option than prolonging the HS season and keeping our FS/GR season at a disadvantage. Let me know what I can do to help with the change in the kids shedule as well. I think that would be a large and very benefitial step for us.

No, after the conclusion of the KSHSAA wrestling season there is no rule violation for any wrestler practicing at or in any other high school wrestling room.

Will, it is Molloy not Malloy and no I do not belong to the KWCA I don't have any reason to pay to be a member.You are correct a person is never to old or experienced to learn something new. I have taken the bronze class and it is absolutely 100% only about money. you are the only person that I have ever heard say it is not so you are in the minority. If you really think that I was saying athletes are the property of their coaches well you can read into it what you want that is not what I meant and I think you know that and I do agree with your statement it is a privilage to have a wrestler want you to coach them. We both agree on the KSHSAA restrictions but if a senior wrestler wants his HS coach to coach them that coach may have to jump through alot of hoops and dish out MONEY and time to take a class so that they can coach. Good luck with getting this tourny going I do hope it is a success.

I let this go but now, I must chime in! Jeremy, you took your Bronze Clinic from me!

What did you get? A book and workbook that might have a value of $20 ... a shirt or a hat and dvd, value at least $20 ... and also a presentation. You might contend that there was no value in 6-7 hours of instruction. But I feel, that it is you that is expressing a minority opinion!

I have been privileged to have many HS Coaches and College Coaches attend the Bronze clinic. Most of those have made a point to come to me share with me, that they got a lot from the clinic! In fact I had 8 HS coaches this past Thursday that were very happy that USAW required them to take the clinic.

There are some hurdles for a HS coach wanting to coach USAW. Just as there exist challenges the other way around! An Olympic wrestling champ would have to be Rule 10 qualified or a certified teacher if he wished to coach!

Walter V does make sense in his assessment! I wish we did share each others background checks!

But this is America! You are entitled to your opinion. But I am entitled to mine.

There is tremendous value in the Bronze Coaches clinic!! I believe more HS Coaches should take it!!

Coach, sorry about misspelling your name. I am sorry to hear you are not a member of the KWCA. The primary issue with getting things changed is that fact that a greater percentage of our high school coaches are not members. When you don't even have a majority of head coaches in your organization it is difficult to get the ear of KSHSAA.

A far as USA wrestling is concerned...the Bronze Card and background checks are all about CYA not profit. Litigation and the increasing focus on blaming the organization not the individual when it comes to the pursuit of a civil remedy, has led to organizations having to make a serious effort at curtailing the number of bad apples that sneak their way into the basket. It is NOT about the profit. It is about insuring against the losing of a nasty lawsuit.

Have you ever been to Va Beach??? I believe it is $100 to get a coaching card and access to the corner there... Brute is very expensive as well. How much do people pay to watch just ONE Chief's game? It costs money to have a successful organization. If the majority think that paying ONE time for a bronze card, $17 every other year for a background check and $35 for a coach/membership card to USA wrestling then they really are not passionate wrestling supporters. Calling it a scam is not ok in my book.

I might be in the minority but that is just like common sense, it isn't very common any longer.