Will- I'm not saying I'm not open for change. I thought what was being discussed was coaches counting byes as wins right now, this season, regardless of the format. Right now all coaches should be doing the same thing and what coaches are supposed to do is not count byes for wins , only dual forfeit wins. If someone proposes the rule you were talking about and it gets changed, I'm all good with it. I just want to make sure all coaches are doing the same thing this year for seeding and such. Otherwise I need to tack 20 more wins on all of my kids' career records. Dodge will have a lot of kids join the 100 win club in a hurry.