Originally Posted By: smokeycabin


The last time the 6 & Under "State" tournament (as a stand alone tournament) was profitable was when it was in Ottawa. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A FALSE STATEMENT. The tournament was profitable as a stand alone every year it was held in Salina.


It was move out of there because of the wording "State". It has been in Salina and other age groups have been added for various other reasons to stay in the expensive arena - and the profits from various other "State" tournaments are ear marked to provide funding for various other out of state activities - that is a mouth full.

So if you really want to know the facts why not ask for them instead of jumping to false conclusions! The arena in Salina is NOT that expensive on a Sunday. Elementary state was added because there was space and so teams for the Elementary National Dual Tourney could be decided on the mat. These events are profitable and the financials are shared with the USAWKS board. THEY WERE NOT SHARED WHEN THE TOURNAMENT WAS IN OTTAWA. Further, the profits help fund the Elementary and Middle School Dual events. There was no accountability for the funds when the event was held in Ottawa in a facility no big enough and too far from a geography perspective. So far that a young wrestler lost his life when his parents were attempting to get him home in time on Monday for school and work.



"The brackets were to big in Ottawa" - was one of the reasons for moving it and being taken over by the state. They still have big brackets in Salina (6 & Under) and an estimate 350 kids 6 Under wrestle in the tournament which is about 14% in that group - so that (the big brackets 32-64-128 man) 1.
37
37.00
14
Mat 1
Yes
Yes
16 Man WB-3rd Place 6
2.
39
39.00
11
Mat 1
Yes
Yes
16 Man WB-3rd Place 6
3.
41
41.00
23
Mat 2
Yes
Yes
32 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
4.
43
43.00
32
Mat 2
Yes
Yes
32 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
5.
45
45.00
29
Mat 1
Yes
Yes
32 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
6.
47
47.00
27
Mat 6
Yes
Yes
32 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
7.
49
49.00
44
Mat 3
Yes
Yes
64 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
8.
51
51.00
27
Mat 7
Yes
Yes
32 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
9.
53
53.00
41
Mat 4
Yes
Yes
64 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
10.
55
55.00
35
Mat 5
Yes
Yes
64 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
11.
58
58.00
26
Mat 6
Yes
Yes
32 Man WB-3rd Place 6 (USA)
12.
61
61.00
15
Mat 7
Yes
Yes
16 Man WB-3rd Place 6
13.
64
64.00
15
Mat 5
Yes
Yes
16 Man WB-3rd Place 6
14.
67
67.00
9
Mat 7
Yes
Yes
16 Man WB-3rd Place 6
15.
70
70.00
6
Mat 4
Yes
Yes
6 Man Round Robin
16.
73
73.00
8
Mat 7
Yes
Yes
8 Man WB-3rd Place 6
17.
80
80.00
6
Mat 3
Yes
Yes
6 Man Round Robin
18.
88
88.00
4
Mat 4
Yes
Yes
5 Man Round Robin
19.
95
95.00
3
Mat 5
Yes

20.
110
110.00
1 There has NEVER been a 128 man bracket since moving the tournament to Salina. In fact there has never been a full 64. So again, you don't have data to substantiate your babbling.
has not been fixed. It can not be done alone in a big arena and be profitable - let it go out for bid (2 or 3 years in a row) at various parts of the state and let a few clubs host it and get a good rate on some other facility. What is next the Novice Championships in Derby??? Thinking out loud - I might submit a few of these proposals before the July deadline for next years State Body meeting. I have a few other thoughts and points of discussion for our state body and I will make sure to submit them in a timely manner. I believe various items need 2/3 's vote to pass with a quorum. If we do not have a quorum - correct me if I am wrong - but then nothing changes in the way things are done.it is so obvious that you have an axe to grind. Specifically with me and I have had just about enough. You know who sets up the 6U tournament in Salina and it has never been YOU. You are MR. anti 6U state. Shouldn't be hard to find but since you have begun to post 7x24x365 with absolute reckless abandon it might take someone a while to dig back and find your ranting against 6U state. Go ahead and put it out for bid. The arena cost in Salina is NOT an issue. Yet another example of you RUNNING your mouth without all of the facts and attacking people who DONATE their time and efforts for kids to have a wrestling opportunity. Put everything we do out for bid. Heck, where were you when NO ONE wanted to be a District 1 assistance director??? Sean, find someone else to direct your anger at. The board did NOTHING to you. I did NOTHING wrong and you were so stubborn you wouldn't listen to anyone explain to you what was going on. If you want to be mad at me and not bring your club's kids or let us borrow anything or have nothing to do with me that is fine but you are being a hypocrite. You are hurting the kids and wrestlers of Kansas by holding a needless grudge. You can continue to do all you want to call me a bad guy and site all of the "bad" things I do to tarnish wrestling in Kansas. I don't care but now everyone that still reads this forum can have some understanding of WHY you are posting so much garbage on here.







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