So should we stop the freshmen from wrestling seniors also? Maybe make a freshman state tourny? Don't want the road to be to tough....

you are making my point for me and you don't even know it

So you are a pharmacist, from Olathe, from a big club. Anything else make you a big deal? There are a lot more things that we are trying to change besides kids wrestling in their allotted age division. I haven't seen you at one of those meetings, making your whining moot.

yes they should wrestle seniors....and juniors and sophomores EXCLUSIVELY that is exactly my point...because they are in high school and already have their own separate competitive venue called high school but for some reason that wasn't enough for somebody and we gave them a division at KIDS state called the high school division and that still wasn't enough so we let the youngest of high schoolers, called freshman, wrestle in the KIDS 14U division which all seems a little bit redundant for no particular reason, THAT IS MY POINT the no particular reason part, can somebody with a brain tell me WHY we do it? "just because" seems like a dumb reason to do anything, we should stop doing all the things that "just because" is the reason for doing them, likewise the "that's the way we've always done it" category.

when I get on this forum and posit that something seems to be out of whack with a particular element of Kansas wrestling my desire is to hear perhaps the well reasoned explanation for why we do it that particular way. Not to have some cretin tell me to suck it up or move. In that vein anybody know how we got to this point with the 14U situation?

also not a dentist, dentist is DDS or DMD

that's it on the edit

I know how we got to this point. Age divisions were 8, 10, 12, 14, 16. 16U division changed to High School Division. 14 year olds were left to choose to wrestle up a division if they wanted.

and that's how it's been for 11? 15? 20 years? and it's perfect right? "Ain't broke, don't fix it" right? that's the way it is and if anyone suggests doing it different they are "the other" and should "suck it up" correct?

Well, again you are wrong. Been like this for about 5 years. Do some research before criticizing kid.

And yes, since you don't know what's going on, don't attend meetings, and don't submit changes to the board, you need to just suck it up.

what year?

Look it up! I can't do all your research kid.

I certainly don't say that and would ask you for evidence "everyone around us" is better.

I will give you a hint how to find out. Go to track wrestling and see when High School Division was added. It could have been as long as 7 years ago, but I'm thinking 5.

2009 was the last year for 16 and under

I have attended meetings, I do know what is going on, and you seem way to self involved to know whether I, or anyone else, has or hasn't. I have stated when I would subject myself to the torture of being on the board as sometime longer than a million years in another thread because I sir am not a masochist. As far as submitting proposals to the board haven't done that but it does seem like moving the submission date up 4 months without really any notice of the wrestling community at large sends a pretty clear message how much the board is interested in changing things

Torture of being on the board? Why, because no matter what is done people are going to complain? Sound Familiar.

They moved it up 4 months? Did that really stop you, or were not going g to do it anyway and now you have an excuse.

Put up or Shut up!

2009 is 8 years which is closer to 10 than 5 but hey I'm not hear to split hairs. the change was made in the hopes that a consolidated high school division would become a Kansas "grand state" without divisional designations/separations that the best of the 4 divisions would come together in the same bracket to settle who the best was at each weight the 14U phenomena was a byproduct, not an intention, of that change. SOUND ABOUT RIGHT. Guess what that pie in the sky idea never has materialized and what we are left with is a JV division that (for the most part) placers don't even bother with and this jacked up 14U situation. So am I just a good guesser or is that how it's played out?

and no not because the constituency would complain but because the board is an old boys club full of guys like you who jump at the chance to shout down anyone who might suggest a different way of doing things.

2009 was last year they had 16, meaning 2010 first year meaning this will be 7. Pay attention kid