And on further review, yeah there were a ton of kids "tilting" people and winning four time state championships, ie: Doug Duell, Roy Oeser, Lyle Neville, and there are few teams as strong as the old Liberal teams and no one as strong as J.D. Armstrong was then. J.D. might have been the strongest critter in the history of wrestling in this state pound for pound. My brother pinned 47 in a row and six straight in two state championships, heck you can find guys doing spectacular things in every single era of kansas wrestling. Can anyone tell me what move is done today that was not done by someone 25 years ago? I am just curious.