I am gonna jump around a little in trying to explain why I think the records shouldn't be that big of a factor in trying to gauge a class. My first thought takes me back to when I could fit into a singlet...just kidding.(**** I am fat!)hahaha. Being from around the Wichita area, we always wrestled schools close by. One year at state I had a 75% record, and a kid I wrestled was 16-0. I was kind of nervous, and had not seen any stuff on this kid. After I beat him I though who the heck did this kid wrestle during the year.

Opps, not finished....Back when people though Ark City would never lose a State title, the made records look silly. Many times back then you would see some kid with a sub-par record that ened up in the finals. It was not cause they were in 5A cause many schools had respect for them. They were just kind of deep in spots like that Pats in the Super Bowl. I know that is off the sport here, but just trying to get you thinking.

Last point. Bronco wrestler, aren't you Russell wrestler. Meaning that you are bias any way. Another way you might see is big schools that dual or wrestle at trnys. Dodge City is in the middle of nowhere, and they wrestle small schools. Many Wichita schools wrestle Rosehill, Augusta, El Doredo cause they are close. That is another way you can often tell how the classes go.

NO I'M NOT, my name is Alex Ryan in real life, Bronco Wrestler on here, end of story!

Nothing against Dodge City anyway, but look at the records compared to the schools in that area... It says a lot. They have some good kids, but overall it's lacking

The state champions of all classes are about as equal as far as talent goes, but the talent from top to bottom in classes is thinner in the larger classes as more people play basketball than wrestle, it's just how it is, the 4A schools like Goodland wrestle all classes of schools, 321A Hoxie, St. Francis, 4A Colby just to name a few, look at the Colby Dual Tournament results and you can tell that they wrestle the bigger schools and still win, Goodland does it at the Bobcat... just look at the quality from top to bottom, 6 losing records as opposed to 34 in a class where you can win one match and make it to state, that's not as prestigious as winning 3-4 matches to even qualify... something doesn't equate here, you be the judge

My deal was not about Dodge city. I was pointing out classes. You made no point except the same thing that all the 4a and 321a people say. "well we have 16 man brackets just to get into state." Every class goes through it's low points, but you have no other reasoning behind what you say. I am giving examples, examples you obiously don't understand.

Can we say....maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuush? I do believe this post wins the "Creepy Man Crush of the Century Award."

Perhaps you should...oh I don't know...go take a cold shower? Yikes, man.

No need for a cold shower, and definetly no man crush. I leave that type of nonsense to you Manhattanites.

I have known for some time Dingbat was your older brother.

It was Damon who mentioned his two state championships and that he played in the Shrine Bowl football game. Did not take a rocket scientist to figure it out. I still believe Dingbat is also the missing Super Duper Mystery Man.

I will give you credit for cleverness in editing my original post in the quotation.

Ok on 3a are we counting when a team that's consolodated splits for regionals: Herington becomes Herington and Hope? So is that 2 schools?

The wrestlers from the consolidated schools split and the wrestlers begin wrestling for their home school.

Cody Garvin from Baxter Springs in 3A has been wrestling with Columbus in 4A all season.

The Hicks from Hope in 3A have been wrestling for Herington.

The three qualifiers from Sedgwick High School in 3A have been wrestling for Halstead.

I am sure there are others of which I am unaware.

Pitbulls Dog
That sounds familiar are you the one that said wait until the Newton tournament and we will see how Norton does and that will settle it and then the day after Newton said "That don't mean nothing"

My money is on 1 through 4 a. Newton proved that Norton was for real, and last year when all the sr. hot shots had taken their best effort at the national competition, only Bedore (4a) and Gilliland (123a) were placing. there are two barometers that should mean something. Many people try to cite freestyle and Greco results into the mix, but these have little bearing to folkstyle- its like comparing it to basketball.

I think wrestling is tough period. It does not matter what "A" you are in. We have great kids in Kansas!

I think it dont matter what class your in..It just matters what weight your wrestling..Alot of the weights are stacked with alot of tremendous wrestlers...

Calculus - hands down. Toughest class I ever took.

Oh are we talking about wrestling?

My bad......

Before everyone continues trashing 5A and 6A, you might want to consider how many current Div I wrestlers have come from each classification:

6A: Johnston(Iowa),Coleman(ISU),Bunch(Edinboro),Spaulding(NU),Bogart(Oregon),Dyer(OU),Tapler(OU),Beltran(Ohio),C. McCormick(MU),T. McCormick(MU),Bork(Stanford)
5A: Klein(NU),Hoover(NU),Gardner(Stanford)
4A: Murray(NU),Kriegbaum(AF),DeVoe(MU),Hershey(AF)
321A: ?

Feel free to add any Division I wrestlers I left out, but the point is obvious.

The number of athletes who go on to compete at the highest level means a lot more than regular season records, which are about as important as rankings...

But does it count for 2 in the stats above? or just the one consolodated school?

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If we are talking about number going on to wrestle at college, I think the smaller classes might have more overall. Look at the DII ranks and figure out how many guys are filling the rosters. UNK, UNO, and UCO all great out of state DII schools have a majority of 4a kids on their rosters.

I'm talking about those wrestling at the highest collegiate level. Almost all of the former 6A wrestlers mentioned are at top flight Div I programs. Not to take away from wrestlers at Div II schools and lower or those programs, but there is no comparison to teams in the Big 10, Big 12, etc.

5A-Daniel Peterson (UTC)
6A-Ian Bork (Stanford)

It looks like 6A (by far) produces the most accomplished wrestlers from Kansas!

The number of 6a wrestlers in Div. I wrestling is no surprise. It is hard to imagine the quality of athlete that can filter down from a school of almost 2,000 kids.

Added to the shear numbers, the sophisticated weight rooms and weight programs, the year around wrestling clubs, and almost constant camps and clinics makes fertile ground for those great athletes.

I admire greatly the depth of the small school programs, but I think you will find that in most instances the 5a and 6a state champions are going to be hard to beat. Their numbers dictate great athletes and their access to the sport is hard to duplicate in small communities

I have heard Bronco Wrestler say that the reason there are more Div. I wrestlers from 6a is that the coaches can fly into Kansas City or Wichita more easily than they can Russell. I have a feeling that if there is a really great prospect anywhere in the state then the Div. I coach will find away to get there.

Gary Ulmer

Ulmer I think you know better. I suggest you go back home and take a good look at some of the kids wrestling for your alma-mater.