I think for conversation the only common point is Kansas records. Isn't that the way it is counted for Sub's?

I think it is way to early to talk about kids going undefeated. The week after sub's when you see where everyone is going gives you a better idea.

It's fun conversation however, so just to add to the mix. Jordan Brown of Pittsburg won the Cliff Keen kick-off and has not lost anywhere to my knowledge.

Twister