Well, if we're arguing for ourselves...I started wrestling my freshman year and I was 3-26 at 160 on fifth string. That's right, I wasn't even JV or C team, I was freaking fifth string, and I still only won three out of twenty nine matches. From that I placed fifth this year at 215 and I feel I could have placed higher but I ended up losing to two kids I'd already pinned earlier in the year, one of which I ended up beating at a later round in state.
I may not have won state but I think I made a ton of improvement.