I know what you are saying there. I look at it as a coach who has coached a lot of kids who wanted to act just like they did and some of them I did better with than others. Some of them I failed miserably with, I am the first to admit that. The point I am making and the real sticking point between me and some of their folks there is that they all helped make it worse. They had some great athletes there no question but heck look at all the kids they had that blew state championships because of that constant chaos they were associated with. Nobody ever liked Emporia or Norton in the old days either but those suckers prevailed. They did that because they had solid base behind them. When those kids at West turned away from the chaos on the mat they were greeted with even more chaos behind them. Thomas could have been a three or four timer and so could a lot of others there. As it is they are sort of a curiousity and a morbid one at that. I see what you are saying I just think there is a whole lot more to what was happening there.