I think highest goal of a wrestler is to be a Olympic champion, not a riding champion, how many Olympic champions win a match with riding time. In most cases, to have riding time, is to take a man down. I think we all need to set our goals, and the goals of the kids we coach, alittle higher than to beat a horse down and ride him for a point. THIS IS WAY WE ALL YELL TWO AND PUT TWO FINGERS UP WHEN A TAKEDOWN IS GIVEN. I could be wrong, but I want the best for my kids and takedowns are my thing. Don't reach for the moon, go beyond the stars.