News flash here Gibby. Harvard is a DI school and had an NCAA champ in 2004. Harvard is part of the IVY League and wrestles in the EIWA conference with Penn, Cornell, Lehigh, etc. DII, III and NAIA are fine and it's great we have these other choices and wrestling programs. I don't mean to put them down. But, you don't get a crack at winning THE national title and doing it live in front of millions on ESPN when you go to a place like UNO or FHS. Outside of winning the Olympics, the NCAA-DIs are as big as it gets. Now, who among the KS wrestling intelligentsia would argue against that statement? Our wrestlers aren't choosing UNO, Ft. Hayes, LaBette, Neosho because these are better academic choices than DI schools as Nigel would have us believe. That's bunk. And, it's not because they don't think they're good enough. More KS kids would wrestle DI if they had opportunity. What we ought to be doing instead of wasting time here is petitioning KSU or KU and enlisting the Big XII wrestling coaches who want more teams. The coaches have the ears of the Big XII ADs. The Big XII coaches are furious about only getting 36 qualifiers. It's in their interests to have more teams like the Big Ten which gets 70-something qualifiers. Who among the KS wrestling intelligentsia is up for working on that? You guys all know B Smith, J Smith, Manning, Douglas and Spates because you've told me how much they like the KS style of wrestling. So, who among you can take some time away from teaching kids how to stall and build a business plan to present at the next Big XII coaches meeting?