And, as to whether or not they were good -- that's kind of a relative term. We managed to get kids to state at Imac pretty much every year, we had kids go to camp out of state two years in a row, and we were --- by the 2001-02 season -- competitive in most of the tournaments we were in. That's why I said that if I'd stayed longer, who knows.

As for Maur Hill, that's another story; the year before I came they had six kids out -- I started the season with 30 and finished with 22. When you start with next to nothing, that's pertty good.