Hemmerling vrs Bedore at Newton a couple of years ago probably deservered a OW. Hemmerling won 5-4. A lot of action in that one including 2 double-legs by Bedore and a 2 point nearfall by Hemmerling.

A simple answer to your question Grant, is no. Of course there are always a few guys that go outside of the mold, but all in all very boring. I am granted the opportunity to watch many many many wrestling matches from the smallest weight to the largest weight, I've been to 9 High school state championships and just as many kids state championships. And overall the heavyweight matches and most of the 215 matches are dull. Thats not to say that lower weights aren't dull sometimes as well, but they do tend to have more action.

Now you can sit here and aruge till your blue in the face Grant, and "KillerMiller" who just signed up two days ago with another fake name so I can only assume its one of the Manhattan clan, but no amount of arguing is going to change that fact that many people don't enjoy the HW matches. Generally the only ones that do are the heavy participants themselves, and the families of said wrestlers. Which reminds me, Grant you listed basically 6 or 7 of the best HWT's in the entire state of Kansas, not all of these guys ended up at the Beloit tournament or the Bashor tournament.

As I stated before there have been some good heavier wrestlers in the past. Did you realize Grant that Stabb finished 3rd in my Beloit Bracket my Junior year as I claimed the championship? Thats right your boy was a 171 pounder, perhaps that is why he was a more active 215 pounder later in his career.

Nigel--you mentioned Vogelsburg as a should-be contender for OW--I beat him in the finals at Beloit in a very active and close match, but of course, was shunned for the OW. Does that mean that the mighty Igel Nisom would think the lowly Dingbat is deserving of an outstanding wrestler award? Hoorah! Victory is mine!

p.s.--I was a natural heavyweight who had to cut to 215. So put that in your corncob pipe and smoke it. With roast beef. And curly fries.

p.p.s.--welcome to the 600 club, me.

We are going to have two oustanding
wrestlers at next year's Bobcat Classic:
103-140 145-275

PAST WINNERS
2001-JOSH CARROLL-215 O. NORTH
2002-GABE CONAGHAN-171-AQUINAS
2003-KURTIS BAYLOR-171-COLUMBUS
2004-ROSS TAPLIN-160-ABILENE
2005-ROSS TAPLIN-16--ABILENE

Nigle, I'm sure with your vast knowledge of the word "assume" you have already prove your ingnorance on the last half of your statement. I assure you that "KillerMiller is not from Manhattan. They are more of the dislexic nature.

I guess watching a match with alot of throwing is boring to a leg wrestler but I have watch several GR matchs and to me throwing is a lost art.

Getting to the subject of OW and heavier weight classes- I guess the fact is that most people don't think of us Hvy as good wrestlers and that is fine. I wrestled most of my life and was happy to place in a tournament and didn't care much for the OW because I knew it was something I would never get-

kinda like a defensive player or a linemen in football

Good point, Scoobysnacks. But I bet you would have liked to see your name in the paper for opening up a big hole for a running back...

Nigel-

Who is the Grant character? His name comes up in many topics where I post. He must be wise. And hot. And awesome at spelling.

And your logic about Staab is flawed. Just because he wrestled 171 before he was a 215er doesn't mean that's why he was more active. I wrestled 135 my freshman year and was lazy as crap. It can be assumed that everyone who has ever wrestled has weighed 171 pounds at one time or another, unless you're FatBat and came out of the womb at a whopping 425 pounds. Just because Staab was skinny as a freshman or sophomore makes no difference.

Finally, it was good to see that the Bobcat gave some love to some of the fatter guys. Good form, Basehor.

Well Dingy if you beat Matt either his junior or senior years then it must have been an exciting match and therefore yes you may just have deserved that award, although assuming you did beat him at Beloit I beleive Mr. Maynes from Salina was also wrestling those years and thus probably won the awards those year, I can't remember.

Dingbat-
That is true I would have like to see it but it doesn't happen that way and most kids realize that. Outstanding wrestler always goes to well known kids. I remember going to a tournament back in da day and pinning everyone through the finals. I was happy because I had bet great competetion and never figured to get the OW. So no surprise when I didn't. Alot of great wrestlers out there and the OW is something that most kids don't worry about. As far as Big Fella's are concerned- if they want to make the paper then just get busted one time for something stupid and you will see your name in all the papers *L*-

I hear the violin's playing over in the cheese section. OW goes to the guy usually who dominates or wins against the toughest competition. I haven't seen to many 103 or 112 pounders winning it also. It is just luck of the draw and how you do on a given day. Kansas is just blessed with a lot of talented wrestlers presently and its too bad they can only give the award to one wrestler, and now I guess two at the Bobcat. Remember it is opinionated and so don't complain about a certain weight just tell what kind of action was the wrestler performing at a certain tournament. I remember when Chris Bell got the OW down in Ponca City over Kenny Monday who had pinned 7 or 8 guys with the same move but set it up different each time. (Armdrag fireman's to a front headlock ultimate) It was awesome! But Bell had the toughest weight class. There were 38 multiple state champs in that weight class and like 50+ state champs.
Had Mike Goodwin in the Finals and man it was a war. Old Mike was all wrapped up because of an eye injury, and a couple of other things like a knee or elbow. They ended up in a 3-3 tie referee decision going to Bell but the best was the 5 or 6 flurries they had, you just didn't know who was going to end up on top till the dust cleared. Probably what I hope Nigel is trying to say is that the big boys don't flurry as much or as often. But no one can't say it ain't awesome to see one big boy throwing down another with such great force. Keith Beard at 265 throwing the 400+ pounders..............Whew the floor would shake for minutes. I miss those unlimited days.

Coach Peterman

This is true, and it's a travesty. It should go to the most outstanding wrestler at that tournament. I, too, have pinned my way through tournaments, only to see OW go to Mo Baynes or Ccott Soleman, who had a pin and 2 MDs. Perhaps the heavier wrestlers would BE the well-known kids if coaches kept their teams in the gym until the finals were over.

no action in the hwt there was so much action in the sprigg jessen match those guys were 215lbers when that match was over now thats action.

i aint to well known and i got one i dont think u should have to be well known. it should be how u wrestle that one day.

Grammar aside, well put.

Well first of all i dont believe that danny did anything spectacular at beloit to get outstanding wrestler, maybe thats just my opinion. I do think that there were quite a few awesome matches in the finals that maybe one of those kids could of got a little recognation. Maybe i am wrong, but did danny even have any close matches at beliot. Did he just get it cause he was a 4 time winner at the beloit invatation, because thats a lame reason. Also why doesnt danny just go out and wrestle, can anyone tell me my why he has to take his guy down atleast 7 times a match, when he could just pin his opponent. Just some things i was wondering about.

I think those wrestling awesome matches in the finals were reconized with medals on the award stand.Seven takedowns a match,sounds like wrestling to me,seems to me the guy getting taken down seven times needs to do a little more wrestling.

wrestlingfan,

As im sure you can imagine every wrestler has their own style of wrestling. Not everybody likes to go out on the mat and pin everyone as fast as they can so they can get back to playing their handheld video games or whatever else it is that kids do now days between matches. I must say that many wrestlers now days are winning lots of matches on their feet because between evenly matched opponents its very difficult to put them on their backs.

That being said just because an opponent is not as good of a wrestler as you are doesn't mean you should change your style of wrestling just to "put him out of his misery." If Danny is well accomplished on his feet I see no reason why he should have to wrestle on the mat with a fish. Furthermore being a freestyle and greco wrestler in the non high school season you learn to spend lots of time on your feet because if you can't turn your opponent in 10-20 seconds in free/greco, the match is stopped and both wrestlers go back to neutral.

I guess I would say that if you don't like his or anyone elses style of wrestling, then just don't watch, no one is forcing you to, its the same reason why I usually don't watch upper weights, because they bore me, so I'll leave after 189 match if I feel warranted.