ok if i kept this all straight looks like this... norton gets 103, 112, 119 (if mike sample is correct about the common opp. farber), 130,171 275, and i'll contest 135. nortons 135 lber is a 2 time state medalist and beat the #1 kid in 321a at state. so if i get 135 it 7-7. looks like an exciting match-up, but "tis not to be". enjoyed the topic though. naf's dad