Well has been I am sorry for stepping on your toes but right now I work with the heavy guys and I am trying to instruct them on how to be aggressive and win. It just seems like the heavy guys think they have to go for the big throw when they really do not have to. They need to shoot, shoot, shoot, and score, score, score. The matches that I have seen is the first period goes push, push, push, dance, dance, dance. The second period bottom man gets an escape then push, push, push, dance, dance, dance. The third period goes bottom gets a reversal and near fall then the match ends in a fall. Thanks for correcting me on the jeff boyle thing I should have remembered Norton instead of st. Francis. Boyle was exciting to watch because he wrestled and did takedowns. He is a great kid. I agree with you has been in that coaches need to teach thier big guys how to wrestle. That is what I am attempting to do. However when a majority of heavies go upper body you still have to coach the traditonal stuff so they can feel it coming. I would also like to state that the heavies match does not have to decide the dual. According to federation rules you can mix the matches up. You could even wrestle heavies first if you want and leave the dual up to 103. The arguement that the big guy decides the dual is not valid at all. In a dual every match decides the outcome. That is what is great about the sport of wrestling it is an individual sport as well as a team sport. This is especially true if you have a full squad. Now if you 3-5 wrstlers out then really wrestling turns into a more individual sport. I personally enjoy coaching my big guys in the room they have a great work ethic and awesome attitudes. I would not want to be coaching anybody else really. I hope that they continue to have this attitude because when they become old and beat up like me they are going to need those qualities so they can get out of bed every morning and go to work.