Hey Sands, I wasn't trying to hide the fact that I am attacking title IX, I freely admit it, I hate the law and what it has done. Please don't confuse me with subtrifuge I am right up front about it. As far as disproving your points you haven't really made any except for an indefensible stand that everyone that is against what title IX has done is a woman basher and called me a few juvenile names. If you will say something with some substance to it I will be more than happy to disprove it for you.

POINT--Previosly posted by hsands: She is a successful coach.

POINT--Previosly posted by hsands: Seniority does matter.

I called you a few juvenile names? ONE NAME

Previosly posted by hsands: I called you a woman basher? WHEN? TELL ME. QUOTE ME. PLEASE.

My main point. Title IX is the problem not women. Yes this may be indefensible but other people on this topic sure tried to attack it.

Seniority means nothing in college coaching. If they want you bad enough they pay you just ask Franchione down at Texas A&M. He makes about 1.5 mill and he just took the job. Boy wait till the womens volleyball coach gets hold of him huh. I think you made referance to "why don't you just shoot the girls athletes" or something to that affect. I think that might be construed as you thinking I was woman bashing. You got to admit calling me Adolf Hitler was just a little over the edge huh. Might have been one name but it was a doosy. So you think that seniority bit is the clincher huh? Nope...
by the way....are you a woman?

Oh by the way her 600 wins were in VOLLEYBALLLLL!

Previosly posted by Westfahl:
WOW! That makes her a successful coach!

GREAT POINTTTTTTTT!

Why does it matter to you if I am a woman or not?
Are you coming on to me?

Answer the question. Are you a woman? And the point I was making is that it was VOLLEYBALL! Emporia State won the national debate championship, wonder if that guy is making the same as the football coach. You know sometimes I am thick headed but I think you know what I mean about it being VOLLEYBALL!!!

See there you go with an emotional response, coming on to you, lol. Can't fight the substance so you go with the old sexual harrassment bit huh. Probably a law suit in there somewhere huh.

Previosly posted by Westfahl: OHHHH. Take two college basketball coaches. One coaches men's the other coaches women's. They are both equally successful. The men's coach has been there for 20 years the women's coach has been there for 5. Nine times out of ten the men's coach would receive more money.

REMEMBER you asked me if I was a woman. Did you answer my question? NO. Why does it matter?
LOOK. MY POINT WAS WHETHER SHE WAS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. I SAID NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL, WHICH BY THE WAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING SUCCESSFUL.

Previosly posted by hsands: I already said that.

So let me see if I have your point. Football has nothing to do with it, the vested interest you have being a woman has nothing to do with it, now we are talking about just basketball vs. basketball even though the suit is volleyball vs. football really, and you think Title IX sucks too. Wow you really do meander don't you. See I didn't even mention that you called me Hitler, wanted to know if I was coming on to you (which I thought was really kind of high schooly), and intimated that I thought women athletes should be shot. Do I about have all of your really meaty points summed up here. I got it. You are right Title IX sucks. I think that is the only real concrete thing I was able to glean from all this, that and you are really nifty with those little cut and paste deals. Very impressive. Now are you a woman and if so are you ashamed of it?

So let me see if I have your point. Football has nothing to do with it, the vested interest you have being a woman has nothing to do with it, now we are talking about just basketball vs. basketball even though the suit is volleyball vs. football really, and you think Title IX sucks too. Wow you really do meander don't you. See I didn't even mention that you called me Hitler, wanted to know if I was coming on to you (which I thought was really kind of high schooly), and intimated that I thought women athletes should be shot. Do I about have all of your really meaty points summed up here. I got it. You are right Title IX sucks. I think that is the only real concrete thing I was able to glean from all this, that and you are really nifty with those little cut and paste deals. Very impressive. Now are you a woman and if so are you ashamed of it?

No the suit is not volleyball vs. football. Go back and read it again.
No you don't have my points. I already posted them twice. How many times do you need to see them? You give me a good reason why me being man or woman has anything to do with this topic and I will tell you.
I will say it again. Football has nothing to do with her being a successful coach as I said before. Does it? Please tell me how it does?

The basis for her law suit deals with a one year head coach in football making 60 and her making 40 and her perceived slights by administration relating to her program vs. the football program and to a lesser degree some other mens sports. That is exactly the premis of her law suit. I have a pretty good understanding of that type of suit. Now the text of our argument took a few different turns which I have barely been able to keep up with. The fact that you are a woman commenting on a wrestling board has a very real significance in that you are trying to stradle some fence between appeasement of this board in sort of a half hearted critisizm of Title IX and some notion that you being a woman has nothing to do with the idea that "maybe you should shoot womens athletes". I am baised because I am a man and I am a life long wrestling person, I admit that and I am not trying to hide here and say I am not. Now come on fess up.... come out come out wherever you are...

From the title IX article: MALE HEAD COACH COLLEAGUES. Note that colleagues is plural meaning more than one.

Note the football coach just finished his second season.

Note the haed football coach makes just over 2000 more than both the head basketball coaches.

How is this mainly directed at the football coach?

OK. Answer this if I do tell you I am a woman what is that going to accomplish? Nothing.

You still haven't given me any good reason why I should tell you.

It must really get to you that you don't know.

OH, and also admitting you can't keep up with me is not a very good reason to dodge the majority of the questions I give you.

You win I don't really care what you are or why you are so strenuously defending a womans coach on a mostly male wrestling board, and heaven knows I can't keep up with your highly flexible agenda. You think she is getting screwed, I think its a frivolous lawsuit based on a really lousy premis, title IX. The reason Coach Lane posted it was that it was of interest to wrestling people everywhere as is anything that concerns Title IX. As for your questions, for the life of me I can't identify any of them, as far as I can see you have everything figured out to your satisfaction. Good for you. The suit aside she is jealous of everyone at that school that is a different sex than she is, and she wants it all, even if she is coaching one of the most minor sports on campus. She is woman she is strong seems like I heard that song before. As for the rest of your petty little arguments, I am glad we agree that Title IX sucks. You did hint at that didnt you, I mean at some point? Hey I don't really care what you think, I mostly been posting to watch you get hot. Hope you enjoyed the banter.

I didn't hint at it, I posted it bright and clear.

Now, Since we have come to a draw I will say something that is high schooly but also kind of funny.

You are watching me get hot? Sick.

I hope you have enjoyed watching me.

What a rare wit you are. Not a very good debater but good wit and it wasnt a draw lady. YOU LOSE

No I am just tired of breaking down all of your mistakes that you make. You can be sure to get the last word in.

Please stop watching me get hot your frightening me.

Just curious if you have one of those webcams, to watch others as well.