Tom
I agree I woldnt want to take away an oppertunity for any kid. My stance has been only that they deserve a place. Our club has a couple of freshman that I look forward to having back in our practice room soon. One is in a similar posistion.He has been trying to gain weight for 103 in hs and was a 2 time state champ and mutiple time placer in kids. I'm sure he feels similar. I just have a hard time understanding the idea that they dont belong. I understand lack of space I've been there. I dont have a solution. That would take a better organizer than me.
Jon Murray
PWC

My youngest son is 6U. Boy would he love it if his state tourney was the same day as his big brother and all the friends he has in our club. In any sport there is a "Big" game or play-off that we all grew up hoping we would make it too. These little guys deserve the same season finally that any of the other age groups do. I havent been to the 6U state tourney yet, but I hear they do a stellar job. Good on you Ottowa.

we have a 6 and under brackets at all the tournements why not have it at the state tournement. Why dont we have it maybe on a trial basis try it next year and see where it goes from there

Where does it stop? 4 & Under? Then someone will want individual age divisions. Should High School have a JV State? We already have 4 different high school divisions. Where does it stop?

Coach Sean

As someone said at the last state meeting "it stops where common sense begins"!

At state, the building is for the most part full of NOVICE wrestlers. Some may shine in high school most will not. Even smaller portion will wrestle in college. The 8,10,12,14 and even 16 and under KIDS are NOVICE wrestlers. The coaches fall into the same percentages if not lower. So why exlude the YOUNGER novice wrestlers when they have the same passion for the sport as the older novice wrestlers and NOVICE Coaches.

If Coach Sean really has a talent for dividing wrestling talent he would probably soon move on and get paid for his his weak opinion.

I just finished my french toast instead of pancakes for breakfast. For those of you who think that I am moving on - I just moved in June so I think we're staying put. I have been with this program for 12 years and at the banquet if they tell me to leave I'll leave. As far a my dedication and coaching with the kids program - I have not been told my that I am on the chopping block. My intentions are to fully continue to help build our kids program along with several other coaches in our program. I talked with 10 of our coaches yesterday at Topeka and at the High School regionals about this very topic. I guess they all have a weak opinion. Where would we be at if you have ten kids (6&Under) - of those ten kids 7 really really really like wrestling and 3 kids burn out by the time they are 10 & and under - is it worth it - not in our cheesey weak opinion. Burn out means they never come back - they won't watch it, practice it, and even talk the sport down to their peers and adults. The lost of those 3 kids are the ones I want to keep involved. I am not worried about the ones with the passion.

Smokeycabin - Coach Sean McCarthy

Great point Sean. Yesterday at Regionals how many JV wrestlers were there cheering on the Varsity team. Ask any of them how HARD they worked at wrestling this year. I know most of them worked as hard as the Varsity but they don't have issues of no JV State! How about the Freshman wrestling, most of them were NOVICE wrestlers, first time wrestling. There was no sort of league championship for them. They worked hard, learned a sport and God willing had a good experience so they will come back next year! They were also there cheering on the Varsity. (To a regional championship - go Aquinas!)

By the way, my 8 year old did attend the 6 and under championships in Ottawa. They did a great job. Then the next weekend he went to State to watch his brother wrestle (and slide down the hill on cardboard)! If your 6 year old doesn't have an older sibling wrestling at state why not just take them to watch the team on the second day - it is a fun event to watch, especially the finals.

Also, I'm not sure why people would think that Sean and his cheesy opinion would leave the STA club. If you asked the wrestling community state wide that a loss of Sean McCarthy would be a huge blow to Kansas Wrestling. He is not going anywhere, at least until my 8 year old is done with kids!

Another cheesy opinion by wrestlingmom

Are many of these novice freshman going to try for the state tournament that is for the advaned kids?
Jon Murray
PWC

Actually most of the true Novice freshman wrestlers are working out for baseball tryouts now! In fact I will check this out at our kids practice tomorrow night and let you know. I myself tried to get many of the first timers in freshman wrestling to give subs a try but most were ready for something else. Most of the JV wrestlers who have wrestled for years are going to subs and will likely make it to state.

I thought it would be interesting to look at an old discussion and see how people's attitudes have changed as their kids have gotten older and or moved out of 6 and under.

This is basically the same thread from 2005. I focused on those who had 6 and under kids in 2005 and were lobbying for a six and under state and was going to see if they had changed their position in 2008.

Viewing their subsequent posting activity,it seems most of them, including the topic originator are no longer here. Most of them haven't posted since 2005. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to assume that they are no longer here because their children no longer wrestle.

Where's the thread windjammer?

Looks at the first 9 pages.

24/7

thanks 24/7; kind of slow this morning!

dont the jv wrestlers have a state. they have the kids state. Im pretty sure I heard more than one person say that the jv kids move on to kids state. I know I didnt imagine that. I know someone said they get a 2nd chance as to zero for the 6 and unders unless you make them wrestle against the 8 and under. on and on and on and on and on this will go. This goes out to Ottawa. Please make your tournament and listen to the ideas to make it even better. If you need some help I am pretty sure there are plenty of us out there that would pitch in. Yes I am offering my help. I think its great you have started it. I have heard good and bad things about how you did it. I will not go there. All I know is I went there last year and my son cant wait to go this year. I really do think it needs to be before high school state and possibly a 2 day tournament if you make those big brackets or go to some type of qualifier. I would like to see it more centrally located for those out in western ks that have to travel 5 -8 hours on a sunday.

I have read the posts from the various threads pertaining to 6u state and have come to the conclusion that some people just don't have a clue. I am sick of all the boo hoo it's not fair posts, lifes not fair if you don't like it go to your club director, the state board and seek answers.Maybe start your own club so you can go to the state meetings and vote on these issues.The bottom line is most people in the state think 6u are still babies and should learn how to wrestle and compete before attempting to win a state title.If you don't agree thats fine,go through the proper channels to change it, but enough of the juvenile it's not fair posts, people that have been around wrestling for years are laughing at you guys, get a clue.

as well as we laughing at your responses every time. you say the same thing over and over and over. you may baby your 6 and under but not all parents do. your right life isnt fair only if we make it unfair. its not about the titles. i cant figure out why you still think that after i dont know how many posts say that its not. its about giving the chance to compete against other 6 and unders just like all the other classes above them. so if you dont like it then stop replying and get on with your older kids. have a nice day.

IF YOUR SICK MAYBE YOU NEED SOME COLD MEDICINE IT ALWAYS HELPS WHEN I AM SICK. as for get a clue i need one me and my wife has been playing that game clue, you know the one and i need a clue to win. and as far as the ones who have been around wrestling for so long are laughing at these people for there opinion well who's the juvenile, maybe they were watching the bad boy's of comedy not reading these post.

You didn't even read my post. If you want to change it your not going to do it on here. I don't care if you baby your 6 year old or not they are still babies.Maybe one day you will mature a little bit and realize that, but you are the laughing stock of the forums at this point. Really you need to pick another avenue to wage your fight because with every post you make you are losing what little credibility you had to start with.

i am laughing also hee hee ha ha and i am just making a joke don't get postal it's all in fun is that not what we tell our children.