I was looking at some of the state records and I saw that a Blue Valley guy holds the state record for takedowns in a season with 271. I was wondering if anybody could tell me how many matches he had that year or how I could find that information.

according to Blue Valley Stillwell web site, Mark Rechtfertig was 37-1.

Thanks a lot man. I didn't think to look there. Did it happen to say who he lost to.

i have no idea but i do know that Curtis Chenowith is trying to break that and last i knew he's pretty close.

271 takedowns in 38 matches. That's 7.13 + takedowns per match.

how many does chenowith have
cause williams from russell has like 130

umm thats no where near 271

aaron ely from leavenworth has over 180 this season

If I heard right he has 213. I don't think he has a chance at the single season record anymore. But that is the second most in Kansas history. He has 503 in his career though. He's only 30 away from the career record. I'd say he still has a shot at that one.

Kelley Gabel, the great three timer from St. Francis, had 212 in 1999 against NWKL Competition, which has got to be a pretty notable achievement, put him in another part of the state and that no. would have been a lot bigger, also had 486 in the four years he wrestled. On the other side of that, I remember hearing that Bo Mayness was not taken down in High school, but I don't know where I saw that, so it may not be true. Sounds like a pretty amazing achievement.

That is true. Bo was never taken down in high school. A couple people came very close when he was hurt at state though.

Who can get the most takedowns? Does it really mean anything? Obviously most of these takedowns are achieved by taking down inferior opponents, often much inferior. The Refertieg's (sp?) and Chenowith's are outstanding wrestlers no doubt, but have they proved anything? Wrestlers of this ability generally get only 4-5 matches a year that really challenge them. The rest don't and yet that is who they build the bulk of their takedown record against.
I am much more impressed with a consecutive falls in a row record like Randy Lewis held (somewhere over 50 I believe)at least at one time. To do that he had to pin some good guys along the way to keep the streak alive and do it at the state tournament in the finals.

Rechtfertig was a state champion his senior year and only lost 2 or 3 times his junior year. I don't know what you think about that, but I would say thats accomplishing something. And Chenoweth has 3 or 4 tech falls and somewhere around 20 pins in his 31 wins this year. Thats not the best, but it shows that he can finish the matches too.

Three Point Buck:
I said Refertieg and Chenowith were outstanding wrestlers. I question if taking inferior wrestlers down again and again to set a takedown record is any accomplishment.
In any other sport it would be called "running up the score" even if they eventually decided to pin their opponent. In other sports it would be considered unsportsmanlike.
Coaches, teams, and athletes have been criticized for "piling on" to achieve some record at the expense of an "outmanned" opponent. Example: not pulling out the starters or continuing to full-court press when the game is essentially over.
To win with grace and to show respect for your opponent is not merely shown by shaking their hand after the match. It also is shown in how you treat them during the match. To take them down over and over when you could end the match
much earlier is not winning with grace or showing any compassion for a weaker opponent. In fact, it is self-serving and makes me a little sick to my stomach when I watch it happen. All for what, to try and achieve some meaningless record that proves nothing.

And whose fault is it that they are weaker? We all get 24 hours a day to do something, some just like to work on getting better on their feet. I remember watching Mark R. wrestle and working for the record he now holds. He was a class act. Was very slick on his feet and would just let the guys up not pushing them around dirty like to cut them. It was a joy to watch, just the determination in his face and the machine like method he projected being relentless for the pursuit of two more points.
I understand what you are saying TNT, about dogging inferior opponents out. But when you are on a quest to be better your opponents has nothing to do with it. You simply go to work and do what you can do every time you step on the mat. Not everyone gets the chance to have great competition to compete against. That is why I think we need to appreciate our great rivals, with out them we would never know how good we can be.

Only those willling to go to far, will really know how far one can go. "T.S. Elliot"

Go for it record breakers

Coach Peterman

I just wouldn't want to be the guy who holds the record for most escapes, How many times were you taken down????????????????????? Dang

Coach Peterman

I still hold the record for the best booty whoppin, I once got beat 51-2. It looked like I had won 2-1 cause the number chart only went to 50. It was at the Ponca City Open by Tom Osborne, who was a 3 time state champ from Oklahoma, and apparently had a crotch lift roll,


Pete,let go of the Legggggggggggg......


What, hunh, what'd you say


My corner never laughed so loud. Chris Bell, Matt Stewart and somebody else but I Can't remember it was 1978.

Ah the good times of youth.

Coach Peterman

PitBull:
You said, "when you are on a quest to get better your opponent has nothing to do with it". I disagree.
Your opponent has everything to do with it. You never disrespect or demorilize your opponent in your quest to get better. For less talented young men sometimes it takes great courage for them just to walk out and compete with a great wrestler. It is the great wrestler's responsibility to understand that. It is the coaches responsibility to provide ways for his top wrestlers to continue to improve. Whether, it scheduling tougher competition or making practice more challenging,
It would be the same way if a new inexperienced wrestler walked into your practice room. The better wrestlers often hold his wrestling fate in their hands in how they work with him. They can physically manhandle him each day and he will end up quitting or they can hold back and teach him so that he can end up getting better and someday be someone who can push them in their quest to excel.
Just my opinion! I also enjoyed reading about your 51-2 match in Oklahoma. lol

And you are saying you would prefer for a great wrestler to go light on an inferior opponent, like a sympathy match. I myself would prefer not to be given anything. I would like to go out and earn what I work for. I agree on showing respect and moral support to all wrestlers, we all have to start somewhere. But like I tell the kids I Coach its not all about winning and losing.
If I wrestled John Smith and lost to him 5-4, that would be a win to me in my book. But, how could I consider it a win if he did not go hard and let me lose by a small margin cause he felt sorry for me. Respect is doing your best and letting the chips fall where they may. Like they say respect is earned not given.

Coach Peterman

I agree with tnt in the practice room. We need to help the beginners learn and just booty whippin all the time doesn't help them that much. show them counters to the moves that your hitting on them and as they get better you will too.

Coach Peterman

Pitbull:
I am not saying take it easy. I'm saying pin them and get off the mat! Don't toy with them or try to amass takedowns for some meaningless takedown record.
BigoSteve:
Sure, go ahead on work on some new technique when wrestling an inferior opponent. But, to think that is really going to make you that much better is naive. The way a lesser opponent would counter and fight something is probably not close to what you are going to experience when wrestling someone more evenly matched.
And, yes I do think it is the opposing coach and wrestlers responsibility to show compassion to wrestlers who are not of their ability. Why do you think so many good wrestlers recieve forfeits? Maybe, its because the opposing coach doesn't want your wrestler to embarrass his wrestler by seeing how many times he can take him down.
I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot you wouldn't want somebody just playing with you when they could go out and pin you and get it over with.