Ouch Church. Are you accusing me of embellishing at a seeding meeting? Ok I did say that, but in my defense , after Detmer's loss I was talking to the Catoosa coach and he said, "don't worry about it, that kid is a state champ." I will admit that I should be able to back up my wild claims at seeding meetings but I was going on that one quote. But you are right. Detmer is a good talent who has a good career in front of him. You can always count on this forum discover the truth.