Principles for Regional and State Refs

1)Check your ego at the door.
2)Call stalemates, especially in overtime
3)Token stall calls at the end of a match are worthless.
4)Call stalling early and often. If a kid is nursing a lead or trying to win without wrestling, call stalling right away.
5)Don't let wrestlers play the edge.
6)Look closely for nearfalls, the first count or two might happen before you get into position to start counting but count on your way there.
7)Don't allow criticism from coaches to keep you from doing a good job for the kids.
8)Do not allow your feelings about a coach or wrestler effect your judgement.
9)The double stall call is usually gutless.
10)Smile when your judgement is questioned. Pat the coach on the back and then apologize for having to give him his warning.
11)If you don't know if it was in bounds, give the benefit of the doubt to the offensive wrestler.
12)A ride that does not lead to a pinning combination becomes either a stalemate or a stall tactic. Don't let kids be inactive for the majority of a period.
13)It's your job to make the kids wrestle.
14)There are a bunch of stitches that come at KS State. More so than any other tournament. Head-to-head banging is not just hand fighting it is head butting. Look for head butters and other cheap shot artists early and penalize them.
15)Don't be too quick to call a) a defensive pin, b) pts. during scrambles and flurries,
c)stop the match for potentially dangerous-- slap the kids hands and verbalize what you want. Let the action continue if possible.

I do have to agree with all of these points, especially number 12.

What about the cross body ride that is used only for earning nearfall criteria and points? A simple cross body with a cross face will only earn nearfall points. Some kids you just cannot turn on bottom but you can ride and be offensive on top, how's that fit? Stalling on the bottom?

So, if a kid is in the down position and another gets on top, wraps his legs around and doesn't move at all to either break that kid down further or doesn't do anything to attempt to turn the kid...is that stalling? Just curious.....

When there's no advancing the position it is one of two things: stalling or stalemate. It's the refs judgement about stalling top or bottom or to simply say this isn't going anywhere let's get a new start.

Okay gutwrench...so let me describe further.....guy on bottom is working hard....guy on top is just enjoying the ride.....what then?

guy on top is stalling if he's just enjoying the ride and not trying to work for the fall.

How about making bottom guy work...that's where I see the most laziness in Kansas wrestling. Soon as a guy's head tucks to the mat without force throw a warning. Defensive pins must be called after a 2 second look to my knowledge...in college it's more like the old touch fall.

Wait a minute. How can you talk about laziness in Kansas wrestling? How dare you be critical of our great state. You whiner. Go to Oklahoma or some other state. Now get off the forum. This place is for only for rah-rahs.

Wow! I agree with Mr Wrench on stalling. Needs to be done much sooner. What I see at 321a state is the guy who is ahead and has been the aggressor the whole match, geting dinged in the 3rd period. He is wrestling just like he did the first 5 min. The guy who is behind does nothing the first 5 and then tries to win it in last 30 seconds. Why not call stalling on him in the first. So he can not play the wait and see game.

189 through heavyweight kids rarely put the legs in to work for a turn. When they do, especially early in a match, it is very difficult to get a turn out of it especially if the down wrestler is physically strong. But it isn't a stall when you are attempting an offensive turn with the legs and cannot turn them. In this position, I beleive a stalemate is in order.

Stalling would occur if the bottom man were not making any attempt to get out just as well. In this position, with a big wrestler using a leg ride, they will not just unhook their legs and try to scoot back to another break down. Moving backwards (i.e. bailing out) of a technique is dangerous. Do not penalize an offensive wrestler for attempting an offensive move when in fact the bottom man is capable of not being forced over. These two wrestlers in this exact position is the definition of a stalemate.

In my opinion the referee should give the offensive wrestler, the risk taker, an opportunity to work the hold for a turn. The percentage of risk for a wrestler to become off balance or to have their hips sag when throwing legs in becomes higher when weight classes go up. This is why only a small percentage of 215 and HWT wrestlers are ever seen throwing the legs in.

If a kids keeps puttin the legs in over and over that should be called stalling right away per the rule book

I don't agree. Everytime a leg is put in, the person being rode is in nearfall danger, almost at any point could he be turned for nearfall. It's no different than a 2 on 1 trying to tilt them but not getting past 90 degrees.

I think #2 is a good one. I saw someone lose on an iffy double overtime stalling call.

I see a lot of arm bars with the shoulder pressed to the back. Come out of the hole with shoulder still in the middle of the back then go back in the hole. I hear its not a stall because he came out of the hole. ITS A STALL!!! Thats nothing but keeping the down wrestler from doing anything and the only thing the top wrestler is doing is running out the clock. Call it and make them wrestle.

legs rides are pointless. If your mentally tough your not going to get turned on bottom, that is just my experience. What i get tired of is when i am constantly moving my hips up after repeatly getting broke down again. Then this annoying kid on top keeps tryin to choke me out on top so i will quit. Then after all that i get hit with a stalling call because "im not working" I wish refs would do a better job at this.

How about the good old COLLAR TIE UP!!

Lets see how long we can stall while being on our feet and hanging all over the other wrestler.
Lets call it please.

To me this is worse than ant stalling from the top.

Ned

What about riding out a two-on-one forever and a day. It seems to me that as long as the bottom man is trying to build a base and is then broken down more than 4 times when the top wrestler never changes from a two-on-one it is stalling.
And any time a kid with the lead is on top, in the third period and stops to look at the clock, after being warned for stalling, he should get nailed! I just hate this and I know it is sometimes looking to check score, but mostly it is looking for the clock to run out! The last one is mostly a pet peve.
Coach Brown

Especially this late in the season, the moment a ref sees a stall or a stalemate it should be called. Immediately. It's regionals and state, for cryin' out loud. If a kid wants to be a champion, make him earn it. I'm sick of seeing people take a two or three point lead in the first period or so and then be allowed to stall their way through the rest of the match.
Those stall warnings with 15 seconds to go are worthless when it has gone on for the better part of three or four minutes.

Wait until stalling gets called a lot faster at regionals/state because it's "critical tournaments" That's when you'll hear coaches/fans complain the most about stalling. State/Regionals are never called the same in terms of getting the athletes to open up and work.