i still say it's a matter of perspective. in the match that unk cited in his orginal post (which is now gone?) he talked about nortons 130 lber and a closed takedown. In that very match the 2nd ref called off a takedown (with the score tied and late)due to an error with the starting of the clock. Now that could be a conspiracy to benefit east vs west or it could be what just happens sometimes. I say its what happens sometimes.