I don't think you guys should be calling aaron out like that. I originally posted the comment on how to cheat, so I guess that's my fault. I think you got the wrong idea, though, I just wanted to know that the process of the test required administrators to make sure the kids actually peed in the cup, like they would in a drug test. If the test was run rught and administrators watched the kids pee, there is no way for the kids to cheat.
But if the test is not administered properly then you bet kids will cheat. That's all I was trying to say, and I'm pretty sure that's what Aaron meant to.

Neither Andy or Aaron should be called out for this. When this plan was presented to Iowa coaches at our rules meetings last year, many of the same questions were being asked. And — in all honesty — part of the reason that the coaches aren't allowed in the room while the testing is going on is to make sure there is less danger of cheating (which personally I found kind of insulting).

The NFHS has created what I really think is going to be an unmanagable monster. Every time you make rules more restrictive you create a danger of breaking those rules. This has taken the restrictive to a new and absurd high. Andy and Aaron both asked very valid questions, and a venture a guess that they are the same questions a lot of people will ask.

This was my point in an earlier post! Rules are only as good as the people that play by them! How many of you drive down I-70 at 70 MPH? Or is it 75 because the cops won’t stop me for 5 extra miles over! How many of you have heard “Click it or ticket” Don’t locks only keep honest people out! And I know that “that this doesn’t make it right” but if you mandate and not educate… then you have lost the purpose of the whole program!

Andy your going to have to play by the rule now that your in college... I'm sure some senior will guide you through it!

Just curious if the rest of or do all sports have to follow these hydration test for I think they should wrestling is just going to price ourselves out of the water all together just can't understand all the issues here and I know they don't it was just a rhetorical question.

My post directed to Aaron states exactly what I meant regarding his post encouraging athletes to cheat on the hydration test.

What most of us have to come to grips with is that these rule changes are not unique to Kansas, though Kansas is taking a unique look at the descent plan. Hydration testing and fat testing will be with us in some form or fashion for the forseeable future--until the next weight loss crisis requires rule changes and/or new rules.

Does the board that made this test have the ability to make changes if some unforseen problems come up? Because if there are problems thats when youll find people trying to find a way to cheat.

Certainly; if not this specific committee, then another could be empaneled. Also, don't forget that once new rules are in place, suggestions for procedural changes can come from coaches' through their association. Case in point--the alpha weight. This procedure came about as the direct result of a suggestion made at a 3-2-1A regional coaches' meeting. There is a specific procedure to be followed; certainly one of our Kansas coaches who is involved with the coach's association can provide the details.

wait... so do we have to do this test before every single practice and meet or is it just a once in a while kinda thing?

The urine test (at least in Iowa) is only administered prior making alpha weight.

There will be two hydration tests required in Kansas beginning with this wrestling season ('06-'07): The first will be prior to alpha and the second prior to certification.

The wrestler must be hydrated in order to have an alpha weight recorded and he/she must also be hydrated at their certified weight.

Hydration testing more than these two are not required.

Egg:

That makes sense. Our kids get body-fat tested the same time they take their hydration test. If they are hydrated enough at seven percent body fat, that's all they need.

Since you guys still do intelligent weight management (as opposed to what the rest of us poor saps do) the second hydration test before certification does make sense.

KSHSAA catches hell for a lot of things, but I have to give them their props for this one. Someone posted that the more restrictive a situation becomes, the more that cheating will occur. I couldn't agree more. This is a common sense approach to the problem.

What methods of hydration testing will be accepted. There are three or four different methods that one can test the hydration level of an individual. Which ones will we have to use. There are expensive and inexpensive means. Will all be allowed?

lookwhosback: It is currently the plan that Kansas will implement fat testing at alpha beginning with the 07-08 season.

takedown121: The method that will be used for checking hydration in neither expensive or difficult.

Color charts showing levels of specific gravity will be distributed by the KSHSAA to all schools who wrestle. Additional copies will be available for purchase for a nominal fee. Urine, in a clear cup will be placed on a white sheet of paper next to the color chart. If the urine is obviously in the "OK" range of colors, the wrestler is declared to be hydrated. If it is difficult to determine whether or not the color is sufficent to establish hydration a "dip stick" will then be used. These will be simple "pass, fail" sticks; that is, they turn one color and it means hydrated and if it turns another color it means not hydrated (I am not sure what those colors are). As vitamins, supplements, etc. can turn urine darker a wrestler should let the evaluator know they are taking them so a dip stick could then be used.

According to the doctor on the KSHSAA committee, dip sticks of the type being described cost about 50 cents each.

I'm joining this topic a little late but...

1) Wrestlers wear very tight clothes.
2) Wrestlers come into very close contact with other sweaty men.
3) Wrestlers are naked frequently for showers, weigh-ins, frisbee, etc.
4) Wrestlers contract skin diseases.
5) Wrestlers bleed frequently (just ask Chase Verdorn, who finished 2nd in the nation and suffered a bloody nose at the hands of one Prant Garker).
6) Wrestlers now will have to pee in cups and carry them around in order to compete.

No wonder we get so many chicks.

Is the "we" you referred to including yourself, or are you basing this statement on seeing that others, especially former coaches you have had, have dated/married attractive women?

Prant, There is no requirement that you carry the cup OUTSIDE the locker room! Could this be be a MAJOR reason for your inability to impress the girls?
Coach Twink--what all did you NOT teach this boy?

Egg:

Welcome to our world. Just hang in there with the home morning weigh-ins — you remain the last bastion of civilization!

Iowa just released their official rules for weight control rules for this year. Kansans, take heart — yours could be worse.

Here's the link:

http://www.iahsaa.org/Body_Comp_Rule.htm

Where the Kansas and Iowa plan will differ, greatly, is the descent component. Alan Beste, the Iowa High School Activities Association counterpart to our KSHSAA Rick Bowden, has set in on most of the Kansas Weight Control Committee meetings. He has also been very helpful and enlightening due to Iowa's long experience in using hydration and fat testing. I think I can safely say that he is distressed about the amount of work the descent plan is going to cause for the Iowa coaches.