I love to see the good sportsmanship that has been shown by these last couple of replies. Labette is old school style. The birds will not out talk, slick, or any of that other B. S. YOu Sure ther Bird's are not going to win every match, but wrestle against one and more than likely I bet you might be thinking this in the back of your head, "He gave me everything I wanted and them some.!" Just like the Cowbody said "YOu can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?" That is what I am asking the 149 lb Neosho wrestler. Time will tell.